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Posted by: Hi_Fi_Guy Jun 9 2005, 07:56 PM

914Club members. After much deliberation I have decided to get out of Porsches for a while. The Boxster is gone and I have just about talked myself into letting the 914 go.



For those who don't know my car it is a 1974 with a few mods:
Raby 2270 TYPE IV
Full chassis & body restoration by Patrick Motorsport
- New paint, sail panels, all rubber moldings replaced with Porsche parts,
- New windsheild & windshield trim
- Carerra front suspension and brake upgrades (5 lug conversion)
- Coil overs in rear with PM rear brake upgrade (handbrake IS functional)
- Adjustable front sway bar
- Rebuilt Transaxle
- Fiberglass decklids & bumpers
- 6 x 16 Fuchs
New interior using German materials from World Upholstery
New interior & trunk carpets via Morphenspectra plus headliner
Decklid struts & original Blaupunkt from Camp 914

Well over $50k spent to date, litterally no expense spared. Car has won it's class in 3 PCA events (out of 3 entered) and has been featured in a few Regional PCA mags.

I hate to put it on eBay if I don't absolutely have to. I want to find it a good home and still get a fair price. So, what should I be asking for this car? What is it really worth in the market today?

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 08:01 PM

Uhh... wow.. I like that one... and.. all..


m

Posted by: MW 914 Jun 9 2005, 08:06 PM

That car is spotless. Hate to see you get rid of it. Can you ask around here locally? I would think one of the shops mught know someone. Damn....I wish I was in the market for a 100% flawless car. Wait a minute, I am in themarket. It's my wife that isn't

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jun 9 2005, 08:11 PM

that car is gorgeous... it makes me sad you are letting it go, and sad I don't have the dollar-dollar bills to pay for it... what's it worth? I wouldn't know where to venture a guess...

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 08:11 PM

I like it.



How much? Come on somebody...



M

Posted by: grantsfo Jun 9 2005, 08:12 PM

I'd buy it for about $8-$10K

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 08:18 PM

I'll pay more than him!

Where do you set your maximum bid here?




M

Posted by: bwilless Jun 9 2005, 08:21 PM

Sad to say, but you'll never get even 1/2 your money back. Your best bet is to keep it and enjoy it.

Posted by: MW 914 Jun 9 2005, 08:22 PM

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (bwilless @ Jun 9 2005, 10:21 PM)

Sad to say, but you'll never get even 1/2 your money back. Your best bet is to keep it and enjoy it.

Don't listen to him! He has a 914...

He's crazy!




M

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 9 2005, 08:23 PM

While your car is great, you would be better off hanging on to it. The values for a 4 (even with a Raby engine) you might recoupe $0.25 on the dollar spent.

If you do sell it, someone will be getting a great car.

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (GWN7 @ Jun 9 2005, 10:23 PM)

(edited to remove bias) The values for a 4 (even with a Raby engine) you might recoupe $0.25 on the dollar spent.

I'll pay more than him too!


M

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jun 9 2005, 08:28 PM

I hate to say it, but they are right, you MIGHT get what a not-special /6 conversion goes for.... which isn't fair for a very special 4... the car SHOULD be worth more than 15k, but the world isn't fair like that....

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 08:31 PM

Ok, I see a number in the distance...



M

Posted by: ablose58 Jun 9 2005, 08:51 PM

WOW, that looks just like mine, but nicer I should buy it then I will have 2 almost identical AL

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 09:03 PM

Posted by: Eric Taylor Jun 9 2005, 09:03 PM

t seems that compared to the hit your going to take in the price, you'd be best off just storing the car. Prices of storage can not be that much compared to the investment in the car. I'm sure your going to want it back some day, and at that point it will be near impossiable to get that car again in that condition with out dropping the money to build another one like it.If it were me I would keep it.
Eric

Posted by: xsboost90 Jun 9 2005, 09:07 PM

stick it in the corner, cover it up.

Posted by: Travis Neff Jun 9 2005, 09:08 PM

Pictures don't do that car justice. You think it looks great in a photo, wait till you see it in person. Don't sell it, as others say you won't get what you put into it. Your car is at a level a lot higher than a "great" car.

Find another solution if possible, unless you are getting out other than financial reasons.

Posted by: SpecialK Jun 9 2005, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (Hi_Fi_Guy @ Jun 9 2005, 05:56 PM)

...and I have just about talked myself into letting the 914 go.

"just about" being the operative phase here....You've been driving with the top off too much in the AZ desert, and have a serious case of heat stroke. I recommend getting into the shade immediately with a 6er of your favorite beverage to contemplate the "total badness" of your car.

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 09:40 PM

look.... I gotta pee.... but I am with them... except I covet your car, so I will just lie alot, and beat you up...

...but I will pay more than them...



M

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 9 2005, 09:46 PM

SELL it to Miles!

He will drive it on old gas in second gear going 80 mph with no oil......to a Concour Event cuz he's late.

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 09:48 PM

Yes! I will do whatever you want!

I can't get the toilet seat up.... should I go in the shower?


M

Posted by: lotus_65 Jun 9 2005, 09:48 PM

first, i retouched those annoying powerlines out of that spectacular scene it's in. no charge, but i don't know if it's going to upload

2. it's a thing of beauty, i couldn't see parting with it. it actully looks like a great car for barrett jackson. i mean if your going to sell, why not have a little fun with it, and you might get the compensation (if they pick you car, and you get a sunday slot...) it looks like it deserves.

3. i really can't see selling unless all's lost.

good vibes~


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Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 09:50 PM

OH MY GOD! Do I see a little rust?




M

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 9 2005, 09:52 PM

Can you photoshop flares on it so I can see that too??


Still think you should sell it to GoatBoy....

Posted by: Hi_Fi_Guy Jun 9 2005, 09:55 PM

So far the vote is drive it or store. I would like to keep it.

If $15k really is tops for a car like mine I don't think I could go through with selling it. Either gotta get more $$$ for it or figure out a way to keep it AND find more time to drive and enjoy it.

The truth is I have gotten heavy into motorcycles and simply quit driving the Porsches. The Boxster was easy to let go, this is another story. It's only costing me insurance and routine maint. so that is no big deal.

No clear decision here.

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 10:02 PM

Two years?




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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jun 9 2005, 10:05 PM

since when do FG bumpers rust miles?

Posted by: lotus_65 Jun 9 2005, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jun 9 2005, 10:52 PM)

Can you photoshop flares on it so I can see that too?? Still think you should sell it to GoatBoy....

no time matie, i'm at work. (me the man)

Posted by: lotus_65 Jun 9 2005, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (redshift @ Jun 9 2005, 11:02 PM)

Two years?

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 9 2005, 10:07 PM

If that silver 3.6 six car could barely bring $35k then what would this car bring, hmmm. Maybe Craig will offer a opinion here. Tops I have heard was the $15k for a 4.
I would buy a six for $15k not a 4 unless it was a LE car.

Posted by: redshift Jun 9 2005, 10:13 PM

In Arizona, it's not the water... it's the oxygen!

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 9 2005, 10:14 PM

after Miles paints it his favorite color


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Posted by: Gint Jun 9 2005, 10:15 PM

I could see myself payin as much as $12k for a nice 914/4 like that. I could see you getting $15k, but that's about as good as it's gonna get.

Keep it. Drive it once in a while if that's all you have time for. But the only way you'll get your investment back out of it is in smiles per mile.

Posted by: TGM Jun 9 2005, 10:16 PM

That car looks great. To really make an assessment for those of us who don't know the car, we would need more detailed photos. I have a similar car but more track prepped with steel flares, cage and Raby 2270. I feel like mine is worth somewhere around 15K. Professional labor really runs up the bill. I have about 25-30K in mine but with tons of my labor. If you're not in a hurry, someone will make a fair offer eventually.

Posted by: anthony Jun 9 2005, 10:20 PM

I could see it going up to $20K for someone that wanted a done car with a $9K Raby engine. It would go for around $12k if it had a stock 2L engine.

Posted by: markb Jun 9 2005, 10:20 PM

DON"T SELL!! There are some of us who would kill (figuratively, of course) for a car half that nice!!!! You will never get close to what you've got invested, so just hang on to it. If you ask nice, I'll bet there are a few folks who would be happy to drive it around for you. Ya know, keep the seals from cracking and such.

Posted by: Flat VW Jun 9 2005, 10:23 PM

Brian, you have a PM.

J

Posted by: boxstr Jun 9 2005, 11:19 PM

Brian You have a really beautiful car. If I were you I would get it detailed to the max and take it to Barrett Jackson 2006. If the red custom 914 can sell for $14000?? Then you car should sell for $18000-20000.
Old Car Price Guide gives a #1 74 914 a $24000 value. Sorry you do not have a #1 car, that is a garage queen , trailered to shows, never driven, in a thermostatically controlled garage. You are in the #2 catagory. OCPG gives it a $16800 value. You car has modifications that help to enhance the value, not pull the value down. You are between a #1 and 2 so it should sell for @$20000.
CCLINOCPG

Posted by: MW 914 Jun 9 2005, 11:32 PM

QUOTE (Hi_Fi_Guy @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM)

So far the vote is drive it or store. I would like to keep it. If $15k really is tops for a car like mine I don't think I could go through with selling it. Either gotta get more $$$ for it or figure out a way to keep it AND find more time to drive and enjoy it. The truth is I have gotten heavy into motorcycles and simply quit driving the Porsches. The Boxster was easy to let go, this is another story. It's only costing me insurance and routine maint. so that is no big deal. No clear decision here.

Oh ferchrisakes! Park the fucking thing in my garage. I'll put the Tahoe outside. I would hate to see you lose your ass on such a beautiful car. The car is is gorgeous but like many others have said, you'll never get close to your investment back unless you own it and drive it for several years.

Are you happy??? I'm dropping F-bombs now!

Posted by: seanery Jun 9 2005, 11:34 PM

IF I were in the market, I'd pay $15k quickly, that's a beauty, and a solid car to boot. I'd consider a price up to $20k but the timing would need to be perfect and I'd have to REALLY want it bad. I think you can get very good money for it, but it won't come quickly. You'll need to find THE RIGHT buyer. I'm sure he/she is out there somewhere.

Posted by: MW 914 Jun 9 2005, 11:39 PM

http://www.patrickmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/main?action=gallery&id=14

Check it out....yeah, this car is CLEAN!

Posted by: MW 914 Jun 9 2005, 11:41 PM

The link didn't work. Damn. Check out Patrickmotorsports.com. You'll find it.

Posted by: seanery Jun 9 2005, 11:43 PM

I fixed the link

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 9 2005, 11:44 PM

QUOTE (Hi_Fi_Guy @ Jun 9 2005, 06:56 PM)

I have just about talked myself into letting the 914 go.

noooooooooo

that's such a nice car!
Andy

Posted by: gregrobbins Jun 9 2005, 11:53 PM

Brian, the car is sweet.

For the rest of you, I have had the opportunity to see the car several times. The car is perfect!

As to value, I think you would get $25000 to $30000. It would take the "right" buyer who wants a show stopper. Someone willing to pay for something extra special. The car is special!

Too many still think you can still get a good 914 for $2500. Those days are past. Prices are going up and will continue to do so. The Barrett Jackson route sounds good to me. If you are interested I recently did business with one of their employees and I can put you in contact with her. The 2006 show is being organized now. Recently American Muscle has been hot, but with more and more auto makers producing two seat sports cars, the collector's interest may start turning to the older sports cars like the 914s.

Brian, my suggestion: park her for a few months, ride your BMWs, meet me for Chineese, and reconsider again in the fall. PCA Phoenix Flight in in October. Would like to see you enter/win best of class or show there.

Posted by: MW 914 Jun 9 2005, 11:53 PM

QUOTE (seanery @ Jun 9 2005, 09:43 PM)

I fixed the link

Thanks!

Posted by: vortrex Jun 9 2005, 11:57 PM

the problem is the 914 crowd does not attract many who like things done right, so when they see a car done right, they can't understand the value.

Posted by: redshift Jun 10 2005, 12:05 AM

No, I like things done right. I have that much in the car I have now, and it needs everything.

$20k is not a question, I mean I already blew that much on junk.



M

Posted by: scruz914 Jun 10 2005, 12:12 AM

QUOTE (Eric Taylor @ Jun 9 2005, 08:03 PM)

It seems that compared to the hit your going to take in the price, you'd be best off just storing the car. Prices of storage can not be that much compared to the investment in the car. I'm sure your going to want it back some day, and at that point it will be near impossiable to get that car again in that condition with out dropping the money to build another one like it.If it were me I would keep it. Eric

A few years down the road you will really regret selling that car. Think about what you have put into it and what it would take to replace it years from now. Keep it and enjoy driving it whenever you can.

Posted by: Jake Raby Jun 10 2005, 12:24 AM

Someone emailed me and said the car may be for sale- it got me on here in a heart beat!

DO NOT SELL THIS CAR!

Cars this clean, done this correctly are almost impossible to find...

This engine is one of the best 2270s that has ever left my shop! Even though it is an older build from a few years back it was way ahead of its time. Thus far this one has the best MPG of any Carbureted 2270 to date and has all the goodies inside it....


Don't let someone get it that won't appreciate it- Please!

Brian, I may have an Asian customer located in Singapore that would pay you a chunk for the car. He already has 6 of my engines in everything from beetles to 356s and was looking for a 914 not very long ago- If he wants it, he gets it and he only buys perfect vehicles. He would appreciate the car...

Okay, back to work for me, see ya'll later!

Posted by: scruz914 Jun 10 2005, 12:31 AM

QUOTE (vortrex @ Jun 9 2005, 10:57 PM)

the problem is the 914 crowd does not attract many who like things done right, so when they see a car done right, they can't understand the value.

Ummm... I think that is a generic statement that can be applied to the classic car market in general. It is very common for an enthusiast to put more money into restoring a car then it can be sold for.

Just because the market (supply and demand) doesn't support every day sales of $20k 914s doesn't make 914 owners cheap or not appreciate the value of something done right. There are many members here who have really nice 914s that were done right. And, as you can see by the posts in this thread, many members appreciate it when someone does a nice job. Not one post in this thread expressed that too much money was put into this car.

-Jeff

Posted by: redshift Jun 10 2005, 12:33 AM

When you find out how much the guy in Singapore will pay, PM me.


M

Posted by: scruz914 Jun 10 2005, 12:35 AM

QUOTE (redshift @ Jun 9 2005, 11:33 PM)

When you find out how much the guy in Singapore will pay, PM me. M

Aren't you unemployed at the moment?

Posted by: redshift Jun 10 2005, 12:36 AM

Yes, but I have stuff.


M

Posted by: Eric Taylor Jun 10 2005, 12:59 AM

Hey miles, are you serious about buying his car if it was an option?
Eric

Posted by: redshift Jun 10 2005, 01:54 AM

I was about to throw 3/4 of that at my car, and still need alot of stuff.

Makes sense. I need those wheels, wanted that suspension.. nice motor in the deal.. obviously beautiful brown interior... (someone would want.. )

There is someone out there with more cash, I am really looking for something close to that, but not really that. She's just so beautiful... you look, and you say... "Ahhh... I could live with that... for a while."..

Anyhow.. back to drawing on cars with no doors..


M

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jun 10 2005, 07:39 AM

I say keep it, drive it on some days when you feel like it, protect it in the garage when you don't... you'll regret selling if if you let it go for the 15-20k that it would bring.... it's worth much more than that...

Posted by: Yellowbeard Jun 10 2005, 07:52 AM

You know, one solution would be to find some really worthy person who doesn't have a whole lot of money to spend but has a lot of heart and loves 914s (wait, I think I just described half the forum....) and give it to him. Especially if he is blonde and has just gotten married - it would make a /lovely/ wedding gift.

Then you would have the satisfaction of having made someone's life wonderful - what better pay could you ask?

Posted by: spare time toys Jun 10 2005, 07:55 AM

I bet that guy who pays with a money order that is waaay toooo much and wants you to send the extra to his agent in Cokamunga would snap this one up.

Posted by: mudfoot76 Jun 10 2005, 08:33 AM

I have a climate controlled garage and I would happily park my daily driver outside for the privilidge of storing your beautiful car. I'd even make sure it gets driven once in a while, just to keep seals and such in good condition. I'll change oil regularly, and make sure the tank stays full with only the best premium fuels available. I'll make sure no dust ever settles on the paint, no insects/critters take up residence on, under, or even near it. I'll buy brand new Egyptian cotton cloths custom made for the sole purpose as cleaning cloths for the windows and dash. I'll buy a nitrogen tank to fill the tires and maintain a proper pressure after having semicircular indentions put into the floor of my garage so that your tires don't get flat-spotted for where it will sit

Please, don't sell your car

Posted by: dangrouche Jun 10 2005, 09:10 AM

I can tell you from experience you will regret it. My 1st Porsche 914 was acquired in 1982; I lovingly restored it to be daily driver, even did a color change, I did it with little money while in college, I traded it in when CA smog laws became enacted and traded it into a brand new 1986 Jetta GLI. I traded the GLI in for a 1974 911 coupe, that car sat in my garage for 8 years; I got married, got 3 kids, mortgage, etc. I have since been driving a SUV 1991 Rodeo. After savings, I was able to use the 911 as down payment for a 1983 SC cabriolet. It sat around for 3 years. I sold that cabriolet and have since gotten a 914; from the moment I drove the 914, it brought memories long forgotten. Even though I drive it less than 10 miles a month, I derive vicarious pleasure from its go-cart like feeling. The upshot of this diatribe is that you WILL REGRET IT. my 2cents.

Posted by: anthony Jun 10 2005, 09:18 AM

10 miles a month! Once a month donut run?

You know, in the end these are just cars. If you lose interest and move on to a new marque or new hobby, it's no shame to sell your car. I got my silver 914 and my black 911 from owners who no longer drove their cars anymore. They both had them for a good number of years but eventually lost interest and the cars sat more than they were driven.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 10 2005, 09:49 AM

QUOTE (gregrobbins @ Jun 9 2005, 10:53 PM)

I think you would get $25000 to $30000

while i'm all for raising the value of our little cars, i think you guys are being unrealistic.

no one (and i mean no-one) would pay $30k for a /4.
not even $20k. not without some really special things to it.
like proven racing history or a special factory build or a prototype.

he's got a very nice car and he dumped a lot of money into it but let's face it, he'll *never* get his money back. not even close.

Andy

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jun 10 2005, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jun 10 2005, 10:49 AM)

no one (and i mean no-one) would pay $30k for a /4. not even $20k. not without some really special things to it. like proven racing history or a special factory build or a prototype. he's got a very nice car and he dumped a lot of money into it but let's face it, he'll *never* get his money back. not even close. Andy

I don't think there is a 914 worth 50k...

Posted by: vortrex Jun 10 2005, 10:03 AM

andy, why in the world would this car not be worth $15k-$20k? you have more than that into your car!!!

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 10 2005, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (vortrex @ Jun 10 2005, 09:03 AM)

andy, why in the world would this car not be worth $15k-$20k?  you have more than that into your car!!!

i didn't say it wasn't worth that much. i said no-one will PAY that much ...

it's all nice us talking about how much a car is worth and how much it *should* sell for, but it's just that, us talking.
when was the last time you saw a nice /4 sell for $30k? i mean, actually SOLD for that amount of money ???

yes, i have over $20k in my car and i know i will *never* be able to get that back. not even half. and i don't care because i never planned on selling anyways ...
Andy

Posted by: vortrex Jun 10 2005, 10:12 AM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jun 10 2005, 08:08 AM)

QUOTE (vortrex @ Jun 10 2005, 09:03 AM) andy, why in the world would this car not be worth $15k-$20k?  you have more than that into your car!!! i didn't say it wasn't worth that much. i said no-one will PAY that much ... it's all nice us talking about how much a car is worth and how much it *should* sell for, but it's just that, us talking. when was the last time you saw a nice /4 sell for $30k? i mean, actually SOLD for that amount of money ??? yes, i have over $20k in my car and i know i will *never* be able to get that back. not even half. and i don't care because i never planned on selling anyways ... Andy

I didn't say $30k, I said $15-$20k.

so why would someone like you, who spent $15k-$20k, not just spend $15k-$20k at once and be done with it? drive it on day one. a car totally done right. you could have the same reasoning, keep it forever. this is about as close as you will get to a "new" 914 that was professionally built by two of the best known 914 shops (raby and PM).

Posted by: gregrobbins Jun 10 2005, 10:13 AM

QUOTE

while i'm all for raising the value of our little cars, i think you guys are being unrealistic. no one (and i mean no-one) would pay $30k for a /4. not even $20k. not without some really special things to it. like proven racing history or a special factory build or a prototype.

Wrong. Go back and read Jake's post. There are some people that want one of every thing. They want the best and will pay for it. Like Craig said, all the right upgrades, done by a recognized shop.

Andy I respect your knowledge and value your opinion, but you have to see this car in person to see how complete and nice it is. To a serious car collector who wants the best, 30K is nothing.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 10 2005, 10:23 AM

QUOTE (gregrobbins @ Jun 10 2005, 09:13 AM)

To a serious car collector who wants the best, 30K is nothing.

if you can find one, then by all means, do it!

all the serious car collectors i have met so far were much more interested in cars like factory GTs with racing history.
and yes, $30k is nothing for them ...

i know of one who has already spent upwards of $30k building a GT replica and the car isn't even a roller yet ...

my point was, no matter how nice the car is, it'll be hard to find someone to spend that much on a "simple" /4 ...

don't get me wrong guys, i'm not trying to downtalk that car. i love it! i just think you're not being very realistic when it comes to the current resale value ...
Andy

Posted by: anthony Jun 10 2005, 10:34 AM

Well, I think it would definitely sell in the $15-20K range - $30K would be a huge stretch.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 10 2005, 10:39 AM

QUOTE (vortrex @ Jun 10 2005, 09:12 AM)

so why would someone like you, who spent $15k-$20k, not just spend $15k-$20k at once and be done with it?

me personally? two reasons ...

1) i like building a car up myself. there's something about having done the work yourself ...

2) i like my car customized. even if i bought his car, i'd be thinking about flares and rollcages and a 3.6 conversion ...

Andy

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jun 10 2005, 10:52 AM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jun 10 2005, 11:39 AM)

QUOTE (vortrex @ Jun 10 2005, 09:12 AM) so why would someone like you, who spent $15k-$20k, not just spend $15k-$20k at once and be done with it? me personally? two reasons ... 1) i like building a car up myself. there's something about having done the work yourself ... 2) i like my car customized. even if i bought his car, i'd be thinking about flares and rollcages and a 3.6 conversion ... Andy

it's scary that Andy and I are in agreement today, but every one has a different "vision" for their car... we all want our custom touches and personality in the car...

I couldn't be happy with anyone elses completed project, no matter how perfect it was for them... it wouldn't be "perfect" for me

Posted by: ewdysar Jun 10 2005, 02:25 PM

This is (almost) exactly the car that I would build today. Even though doing it myself would cost way more money, I don't think that I would pay $20K, and I'm stupid when it comes to this kind of thing (ask my wife). If I could "buy it now" for $15K, I'd have some serious 'splaining to do at home, but I'd probably figure how to make it happen. Of course there's a bunch of people with more money than I have... 15 to 20k sounds accurate to me.

Eric

Posted by: Rand Jun 10 2005, 03:15 PM

Random thoughts after reading this thread...

I'd hate to see you sell it because you'll take a loss. But you gotta do what you gotta do.

It's worth the highest price to a collector who has plenty of money and just wants to buy it and have it. Very nice car!

I will spend more on my project in the long run and it won't be as nice. Is that foolish spending? No, I can't afford to just pay the full amount up front. My project will nickel and dime me to death, but I can afford a nickel and dime along the way easier than I can fork over the full amount at once. Kinda like making payments.

Building my project is a hobby. I don't care if I don't recover my investment. I am enjoying the build.

Posted by: ewdysar Jun 10 2005, 05:16 PM

My advice is to keep it, I stored mine for 13 years waiting for it to come back around in my life. Glad I did it.

It sounds like you're going to keep it for now. But just in case, I am actually offering $15K.

Eric

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 10 2005, 05:45 PM

Yellowbeard...your going to fit right in here

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jun 10 2005, 06:17 PM

QUOTE

Aren't you unemployed at the moment?

Miles has guitars worth more than most of our houses...

(but he doesn't have any vintage Recaro Sport seats)

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 10 2005, 06:19 PM

There are only a couple of 4 cars I can think of that would bring over $15k
1. A real COA Grasshopper
2. The white Bumpered 76 "Special" 914 with all the Factory Guys standing around it.
3. A real COA Sporto 4 banger

Posted by: gregrobbins Jun 10 2005, 06:46 PM

QUOTE

I don't think there is a 914 worth 50k...

No question that both of the two factory 914-8s with the 908 motors are worth more than 50K. Someone like Seinfeld would love to add one of them to their collection. Also the #40 Sonauto class winner at Le Mans if it still exists.

As for the remark that Brian's car has a "simple" 4, I don't think so, but I'll let Jake respond to that.

QUOTE

There are only a couple of 4 cars I can think of that would bring over $15k 1. A real COA Grasshopper 2. The white Bumpered 76 "Special" 914 with all the Factory Guys standing around it. 3. A real COA Sporto 4 banger

Recently a restored LE without the original motor and carburators sold for $15000. Would the original motor with D-Jet added to the value? Probably. So there may be a few others, but not many.

Will he sell it? Who knows and even if he does, there isn't much chance we will ever find out the price. Fun to speculate.

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 10 2005, 07:09 PM

Look on ebay for 356's. There were way more of those made (built for 16 yrs) than 914's (6 yrs). Of the 17 compleated 356 sales from May 26th to June 10th, the cars average was $22,000

Now look at the 914's - 23 sales (same period) average price $2570

A 356 roller went for $2,325

Earlier this year a 914-6 roller went for almost that much.

Are prices out of line, Yep. They have been going up over the last few years. In 10 years (356's were built from 49-66) they (914's) might be equal to what 356's are bring these days. But what will 356's bring?

For every 914 that is cut up, it adds $10 to the price of your car.

All I need is 2000 more 914's cut up and mine will be worth something.

Posted by: anthony Jun 10 2005, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jun 10 2005, 05:19 PM)

There are only a couple of 4 cars I can think of that would bring over $15k 1. A real COA Grasshopper 2. The white Bumpered 76 "Special" 914 with all the Factory Guys standing around it. 3. A real COA Sporto 4 banger

You can add this one to your list. There was also that Italian concours condition 914-4 that sold for low twenties a couple of years ago on ebay.

This car is a custom hod rod 914 with an engine that costs 2-3X what most 914s are worth. You can't class this car with stock 914s.

Posted by: mack914 Jun 10 2005, 07:59 PM

Set up an E-bay account and and buy it for the club member who has the worst looking car and can prove it.

Posted by: vortrex Jun 10 2005, 08:31 PM

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jun 10 2005, 04:19 PM)

There are only a couple of 4 cars I can think of that would bring over $15k 1. A real COA Grasshopper 2. The white Bumpered 76 "Special" 914 with all the Factory Guys standing around it. 3. A real COA Sporto 4 banger

this is just plain silly.

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 10 2005, 10:23 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4552177380&category=6430 one went for just over 17K and it was a 6............

Posted by: boxstr Jun 10 2005, 10:36 PM

I have said it before and I will say it again. Using an auction, be it BJ or Ebay, Russo and Steele, Bonhams, Silver, Kruse or Meccums is not a true indicator of value for a vehicle. There are to many unknowns and outside variables that can seriously alter the sale price of a car at auction.You do not know for sure if the car actually sold, it may have been a shill bidder. The price may have been negotiated up or down after the auction is over. To many unknowns. It is fun to watch and observe the prices people pay for cars at auction. But remember one thing "The price you pay is the price you are comfortable with, not necessarily the value of the vehicle."
Craig C. Laughlin CAMP 914

Posted by: mistro Jun 10 2005, 10:44 PM

QUOTE (ewdysar @ Jun 10 2005, 03:16 PM)

My advice is to keep it, I stored mine for 13 years waiting for it to come back around in my life.  Glad I did it. It sounds like you're going to keep it for now.  But just in case, I am actually offering $15K. Eric

I agree keep it and store it, but just for the record, I'm actually offering $15.5K Rgds, Michael

Posted by: SpecialK Jun 10 2005, 11:50 PM

Wow ...Thanks Miles.......I didn't see that rust that was hidden by his obviously photoshopped original photo of the car........The extent that some people will go to sell their rust buckets.....I'll give you $200 for it right now, and won't tell anyone about it......no....really!

Posted by: vortrex Jun 11 2005, 10:41 AM

QUOTE (GWN7 @ Jun 10 2005, 08:23 PM)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4552177380&category=6430 one went for just over 17K and it was a 6............

yeah, and how can you even begin to compare those two cars??? the -4 is a full blown professional down to bare metal chassis restoration with raby 2270 motor, new trans, new suspension, 16" fuchs, new interior, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 11 2005, 11:57 AM

QUOTE (vortrex @ Jun 11 2005, 09:41 AM)

QUOTE (GWN7 @ Jun 10 2005, 08:23 PM) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4552177380&category=6430 one went for just over 17K and it was a 6............ yeah, and how can you even begin to compare those two cars??? the -4 is a full blown professional down to bare metal chassis restoration with raby 2270 motor, new trans, new suspension, 16" fuchs, new interior, etc, etc, etc.

but there are 914-4's out there with low miles (13k?) in original condition that I would buy first over a restoration. Just because someone paid $50k to make a new 914 4 car doesn't mean its worth $50k. Not when there still are low mile original cars out there for $10k.

Ok, it does have a Raby motor but that doesn't increase its value $10k. Its not what you invested its what the market will bear for the end result.
Still its a great car!
IMHO there are only a few 4 cars that are worth alot of money due to their rarity which is what separates them from the common 4.

I see John Lowe is selling his 914/6GT project for $50k, now is that worth it???