Can't make an injector squirt. Was trying the cold start valve and then read where it had to be cold...like real cold for California as it in the high 80's today and I see it's also connected to a temp sensor so it's no wonder why that was not squirting on start. I was thinking of it as a prime of sorts for a engine cold start.
Anyway I digress. The overall problem is I crank and nothing. I smell some fuel but no leaks. Ignition was testing using Pelican parts protocol and it all checked out. As soon as the wife get's back I will actually pull a plug and see for myself at the plug but it would seem all is well there so I'm looking at fuel. MPS ohm'd out and has tangerines new diaphragm in it.
I pulled an injector and checked voltage at the 2 wire plug with the starter blazing away and I got minimal voltage. I believe it was under a volt. What should that be? Can I check the injector by applying a 12V supply to the two pins? It ohm'd out at 2.5
For the record, I primed the fuel system my applying 12V to the pump for a minute. I'm at 31 not 28 based on others who have a slightly larger displacement and that's spot on. My old problem of no 1.5 burst of the fuel pump has been fixed with another ECU. So, when that 1.5 second burst happens does it also open the injectors and prime the cylinders?
So close and yet so far.
Dave
There is no "prime" for the injectors.
As you crank the engine the FI points in the distributor open and close signalling the FI control unit to pulse the injectors in pairs. I am not sure you can test injector operation with a voltmeter because it is a pulse no a stead voltage.
Get a "noid" light at FLAPS and plug it into an injector plug and watch for it to flash while you crank the engine.
At least you are moving forward and working through the issue.
Good luck
Jim
2.3v is all that’s needed. More and you’ll fry it. Tap it momentarily to a 9v battery works to test, but don’t hold it at that voltage. Send the injectors out for cleaning and testing? They get corroded or gummed up if they sit awhile.
witchhunter.com. $22 each for refurbish. People seem to like their work.
You can try and dunk them in fuel injectors cleaner that you buy for pouring into the tank for a few days, but they probably need an overhaul after 40+ years.
You state you have no fuel out if the injectors.
So.....
1. Check fuel pressure at the port on the fuel rail.
2. Use Noid lights to check for electrical signal at the injector plug.
Start with basics. Fuel and signal.
If there is no signal could be the trigger points.
Injectors fire in pairs.
Is the intank screen sucked flat?
As mentioned.... 31 PSI on rail. Don't have a noid light but do get small doses of voltage at injectors. Screen in tank is brand new. I have fuel and great circulation in the system itself. Found one injector working sort of.
For ducks I'm going to try the Ammonia based window cleaner in my sonic cleaner unit for 30 minutes and then test with 9 volt that is actually 4.5
Ultimately will go the route mentioned above for the rebuild units.
Basics are good. It's either fuel or fire and I have fire.
thanks for all the posts. I will give an update hopefully positive.
Dave
Just received 4 injectors back from Mr. Injector out of Dalton Gardens Idaho. Sent 7 of which I knew 2 were probably hopeless.
$17.50 per injector for ultrasonic cleaning, new micro screen, new pintle cap, new seals, and nicely repainted. Plus he added new stub hoses and proper FI hose clamps that I wan't even expecting.
Flow tested before and after for both flow and pattern.
I received 4 back with identical flow and confirmation of good pattern.
He only charges the $17.50 per injector for the ones that are serviced. 3 duds were returned to me with no charge associated with them. I'll probably just cut those open for fun & education.
Also. At a quiet time, turn the key to ignition on. Then slowly press the gas pedal to the floor. As I recall, you should hear 5 injector clicks. I got that one from the Hussey 700 tips book. A good source for a lot of things 914.
Most volt meters are not fast enough to display injector driver voltage properly. Use a noid light (available at harbor freight) and see if it flashes.
Check for fuel pressure
Check for ecu power
Again, great info and I appreciate it. So yesterday started good. Pulled all the injectors and cold start that would not do squat with a quick 9 Volt. Used Windex with ammonia and my sonic bath cleaner and after about 30 minutes they were all working except one that took another 30 minutes.
Thought that was going to be it.... Nope. So found TDC and checked pug wires, timing and while I was at it... .checked the valves. Weird stuff Maynard..... ALL the exhaust valves were way off. Had to back them off considerably. Intakes were pretty close. That's 006 on intake and 008 on exhaust. Has me kind of freaked out thinking I wore the cam lobes just working through the original ECU problem and now this but the intakes were good.
So today I'm going to pull the injectors and place them in small plastic containers and see how they perform in the car and not on the bench. Second thing is I'm going to do a compression check on all four cylinders.
Dave
If you are absolutely sure you checked engine dead cold and you had the cylinder exact TDC, and the exhaust valves were tight (i.e. you backed them off), this is an early warning sign.
Valve stem is stretching.
Next occurrence in the sequence is that the valve head breaks off and destroy's your engine.
Double check that you adjusted properly. Keep a very close eye on valve adjustment. If the exhaust valve gets tight again . . . rebuild the heads before engine failure occurs.
If engine was rebuilt and never run then the scenario where they were mis-adjusted at assembly is reasonable.
If you have spark, then the engine should fire. Try spraying some starting fluid into the intake and see if the engine briefly fires up.
Well, after a bad ECU, clogged injectors and then NADA, I figured it out. I was 180 out. I slid the wires around 180 and it fired right up. You know, that Haynes shows the distributor driveshaft keyed to one side which I believe I mimicked. Either my eyes are bad or that pic is off. Personally I don't care. Just ran the engine 20 minutes at 2000 RPM for 20 minutes with break in oil. I put a O2 bung in the muffler and had a reading of 14.0 I need to understand what that means as I will be reading up on that soon.
What a journey. I would like to thank everyone. Tremendous help. Going to change the oil out and check the valves.
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