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Posted by: redshift Sep 3 2003, 06:19 PM

I have an engine sitting at a loading dock, it was just built.

I don't know if the cam has even been through a break-in, and I don't think the builder is going to clue me in.

(he called me a mother fucking asshole, and told me he hopes it blows up like the last one)

Anyone want to list break-in procedures?

The gas tank is ruined, anyone have a (cheap) decent one in the south-east I could buy? You would think a nice one would have come with the car for that much..

Thank you,


Miles

Posted by: Qarl Sep 3 2003, 06:26 PM

Who built the engine?

Posted by: TimT Sep 3 2003, 06:32 PM

Yea who built it and unleashed that diatribe? great customer service eh... sorry dont have a spare tank

Posted by: ArtechnikA Sep 3 2003, 06:39 PM

3000 rpm for 30 minutes - by the clock.

no super-slippy oils; i don't think non-detergent oil is necessary, maybe just something like Valvoline straight-30 Racing oil. we had a thread here a couple of days ago on non-detergent oil if you want to go that way...

change oil and filter after 30 minutes; do whatever adjusting/tightening is appropriate.

i have a spare 8-gal cylindrical VW "dune buggy" tank, nothing OEM sorry.

Posted by: redshift Sep 3 2003, 06:48 PM

I don't think I'll be mentioning the builder's name, I am not going to go there. Everybody, loves somebody, sometimes. Goes both ways.

Thanks Rich, it was me asking about the oil couple days back, I anticipated the moment I'd need it, @ 3am, on a Sunday morning..

To all you geniuses, and gurus out there:

You ain't all that.

To all you guys who have been teening forever, and finally want the best one:

Do it yourself, or keep on dreaming.

Karl, you are my idol. I hate you.




OH~!

One more question:

RING SEATING; Redline Clutch Dumps, or Long Hot Slow Time?


Miles

Posted by: URY914 Sep 3 2003, 07:15 PM

I have a gas tank.
(That is to be sung to the tune of "Nana. na-na na")

Really I do.

Now the break in proceedure is- Run the engine at 6000 rpm for 3 hours. Blipping it up to 7000 every 15 minutes. Good luck.

Paul

Posted by: cgnj Sep 3 2003, 07:18 PM

Hi,

Here is my plan
http://aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/engnbrkn.htm

I'd take a look at the lifters before i fired it up. See if they look like the suspects on the STF thread.

I'm not in the SE, but do have a tank. PM me if your need is dire.

Carlos

Posted by: Tom Perso Sep 3 2003, 07:19 PM

Break-in oil...


DIESEL MOTOR OIL. Stop by the local FLAPS and pick up a bottle of Shell Rotella T or Mobil Devlac 30wt for break-in. More zinc content in Diesel motor oil than the regular stuff.

Seating the rings. Get a good load on the motor (Hmm, 4th gear maybe?), low-ish RPM's, then mash the gas. Let it build up near redline (but not *that* close to it).

Once the rings are seated and you've drained the oil - check the valves and make sure they aren't getting loose or anything.

Fill up with some fresh oil, maybe do a few more ring seats and let the motor settle. Just regular driving and get on it here and there.

After that, change the oil again. Maybe stick some 15-40 in it and then let it rip. If it hasn't broken by now, it probably won't.

Tom

Posted by: Tom Perso Sep 3 2003, 07:21 PM

Yank one of the lifters, see what it looks like.


If it's like this, don't run the damned thing...




Tom

Posted by: cgnj Sep 3 2003, 07:26 PM

Tom, show the before picture, not the Ah Shit pic.

Carlos

Posted by: redshift Sep 3 2003, 07:41 PM

Sure, you have a gas tank, what's left of your car is held together by it's relative gravity.



I just ran it @ 6 grand for 6 minutes, and blipped 7k once, now it won't crank?



Thanks fellas, I got some learnin' to do.

I'd love to see the lifters, but I don't think I have the grease that plan rides on...

If it blows up, I am going to part out the car with a huge fully automatic weapon, and sell videos, with a big windshield banner...

I wish I had those trick lifters.. damnit.


M

Posted by: Tom Perso Sep 3 2003, 07:54 PM

Nah, I like the "Ah-Shit" ones...

But, she runs like a champ now, I'd adjust the valves - If I had too!!!! LOL. Just slip the feeler gauge in and believe it or not, they're right where I left them!

Kinda like that - I also like the fact that Griznant's ceramic lifter equip'd motor does the same thing.

And, as you know, we baby these cars.... NOT!!!

WOT @ 5500rpm in top gear... In G's 912. I've wrapped the speedo around so far in the Bug it's not even worth looking at anymore!!!

Later,
Tom

Posted by: URY914 Sep 3 2003, 08:19 PM

I have the tank in the garage attic. I can get it down and take a picture of it this weekend.

Or I can leave it up there.

Posted by: redshift Sep 3 2003, 08:32 PM

2 responses:

1. HAH! You'd stop at nothing! Taking pictures to taunt, and sealing my mental undoing!

2. You don't need to take pictures, I am going to look for a local fix in teh morning, and if that doesn't pan out, I'll PM ya..

Thanks for the offer.

Now, back to the motor, it's still really hot, how long into the 6k run do you add the oil?


M

Posted by: URY914 Sep 3 2003, 08:51 PM

Can't wait to have you come crawling back.

Paul

Posted by: redshift Sep 3 2003, 09:04 PM

I say around 1pm, tomorrow, but... until then..

My car saw a picture of your car, and it hid from me for a month....



"Come back baby! I want to add stuff!"

heh


M

Posted by: redshift Sep 4 2003, 12:23 AM

I forgot to mention the part about him saying he should get on a plane, and come pay me a visit.

You know? Maybe I can sleep better now that I got that off my chest, maybe not.



M

Posted by: Brad Roberts Sep 4 2003, 12:48 AM

The bullshit thickens.


B

Posted by: ChrisReale Sep 4 2003, 12:50 AM

I know who it is. Look for the auction on Ebay. Winner get the know

Posted by: MarkV Sep 4 2003, 12:51 AM

Posted by: redshift Sep 4 2003, 01:22 PM

I had a seizure last night, I am just remembering yesterday.... sometime after I went back to bed, I got in the shower and *pop* migraine meets diabetes?

It's FUCKING OTTO'S, and another thing, if something happens to me, you'll know where it came from.

I would not buy from him again.

There, I think that is fair enough.


Miles Hendrix

Posted by: J P Stein Sep 4 2003, 02:38 PM

Assume not.

The cam/lifters MUST have a break-in lube applied.
Most FLAPS have the stuff. The MolyB stuff is best (Molybidium disulfide ...my best shot at speeling it).
Use it or the cam will go flat....it's that simple.
Figure a way to check for it....I donno dick bout t-4s.

Cam break-in is 20 minutes at 2000 rpm......that's what I use.....no stops......unless the oil prressure drops to 0

I use Valvoline 30 wt non-detergent oil for ring
break- in....100 miles usually does it. I don't break them in easy, either. Make it work.....if it's gonna blow, why waste time, I figure. Just make sure it's up to temp before getting on it hard.

Posted by: redshift Sep 4 2003, 03:14 PM

The HEs are mounted, should I also have the muffler on?



It will be a nice relaxing few minutes compared to the last month, I hope I can do it out of the car.



M

Posted by: Brad Roberts Sep 4 2003, 11:16 PM

Put the muffler on it. You have to run it at 2k for 20 minutes.. no need to be loud about it. Plus.. if the engine does something funky.. you want to hear it happen.


B

Posted by: redshift Sep 4 2003, 11:20 PM

Need? Need!?



I am not so sure I want to hear what happens, but I'll do it to make you happy.

You owe me one.


M