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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 04:38 PM

i added a page with all the available 914 color codes.

i'm sure i missed a few and some might not be correct, so please,
have a look at the list and give me some feedback ...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=colors

Andy

PS: that list is dynamic and will eventually be used to check against color codes supplied in the VIN section, so i'd like to get this as accurate as possible ...

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Sep 14 2006, 04:46 PM

L11E is Canary yellow. Nice chart Great work!

Posted by: George H. Sep 14 2006, 04:48 PM

Posted by: flesburg Sep 14 2006, 05:01 PM

Sunflower yellow was available in 74. Could make a copy of the paperwork that came with my car in 74 if you need proof.

Posted by: JPB Sep 14 2006, 05:04 PM

Cool chart and I can see mine was Willow Green at on time. Then it was silver and then red which is what it is getting right now.

Nice to know stuff here!

Posted by: tomamafone Sep 14 2006, 05:13 PM

you might want to put a black border around the "ivory white" section. or a dot or something to tell us when they were offered. great job though!

Posted by: Jeroen Sep 14 2006, 05:15 PM

nice job!

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 05:16 PM

fixed, that was a typo on my end ...
Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 05:18 PM

what, you can't see the difference between white and light ivory?

ok, will do ...
Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 05:20 PM

also, anybody know for sure what the date-split for early and late 914-6 color codes was?

right now, i have them both listed as possibilities from '69 to '72 as i don't know when the split occured ...
Andy

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 05:21 PM

I'm emailing my list.
The xx10 code only ever showed the xx, never the 10. This code basically says the roof was black (10) for examples see 911 targas.
The xx10 code was aparently used from the earliest 914/6 until about 1972 when the VW code was used.
To my knowledge, the Porsche code was never used, I have seen no examples of it.
My list also shows another code that shows up on the COA.

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 05:36 PM

i got it. thanks!

question:

are you sure black has the code "L041" with a numeric 1 at the end?

all other codes end with a letter and i was under the assumption the code was "L04I" with an uppercase i at the end ...

anyone know for sure?
Andy

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 05:41 PM

Absolutely positive on the L041. Yes it is rather unique in that way. I'd put the different codes on one line since they are fully equivalent. It does shorten the list to a more compact size.

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 05:49 PM

Just checked my book. The VW code superceded the xx10 code beginning VIN 9141430399. This was due to paint shop confusion.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Sep 14 2006, 05:53 PM

Nice job Andy!

Is that hair Bahia Red?
Pat

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 05:55 PM

ok, so i fixed the xx10 codes ...

just to clarify, are you saying that the "early" 3-digit 914-6 codes were actually never used ???
Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 05:58 PM

fixed L041 ...

i'll look into merging the similar lines ...
Andy

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 06:00 PM

Correct. Going back to 0012 they have two digit code, confirm Glenn?
0033 actually has 29/29, no idea why. No indication the 3 digit code was ever used.

We could add the German color names. So many codes have multiple names.

Posted by: McMark Sep 14 2006, 06:07 PM

Ack, I've been superseded.

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 06:21 PM

I've worked on the paint codes for 25 years, just never posted it before. Andy still has to split the silvers. The changeovers were not clean cut either. L96D extended into 1975, and some were used after L99A came out.

It is much the same story as the chassis numbers. The 9000 series came out but were interspersed with 9500 series for a while. My LE falls on the late side of the rear brake pressure reducer change, but has the early style anyway. It's engine should have been used in October not March.

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 06:41 PM

ok, the list has been simplyfied ...

- only one entry per color, only the 914-4 and two-digit 914-6 codes are shown ...


i need the RGB values for:

- Lilac (L40M)
- Sahara Beige (L62O)


also, were those two special order?
Andy

Posted by: McMark Sep 14 2006, 06:44 PM

Those were special order, along with Aubergine, Sepia Brown, Raspberry, and I think I heard of an original Guards Red one.

Posted by: StratPlayer Sep 14 2006, 06:45 PM

Might want to add Fiesta Orange to that list, thats what my car is listed as, paint code is L20C.. 76 model...

Posted by: McMark Sep 14 2006, 06:53 PM

L20C is Nepal Orange. Unless they renamed it in 76.

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 06:54 PM

hmmm, L20C is listed in 75/76 as Nepal Orange ...

never heard "Fiesta Orange" before. where did you get that name from?
Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 07:20 PM

GERMAN COLOR NAMES ...

anybody here have a list of the german (original porsche) names for the 914 colors?

i have a few that are listed in DGVWPB, but that's only about 1/3 of all colors ...
Andy

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 07:52 PM

List the German names you have and I'll add to it.
I'd remove L96D from 1976, however it and L97A did overlap in 1975.
I'd add in the third code list (V9) to cross reference the info found in the COA's. That is where the U1 & U2 codes come from for the LE's. The LE's still had L041 and L80E on the Karmann badges. Again, the V9 part of the code just refers to the black roof.

Oh yeah, the additional codes for the custom ( 98 ) colors are just for reference. There may be several more colors used under code 98. I have not come across any code 99 cars yet.

Are we exhausted trying to sort this all out yet?

Posted by: wilchek Sep 14 2006, 07:54 PM

andy shoot me a PM with your email I can send a zip file to with all the years of the color sheets (except 73). I also have the cloth sheets and the carpet sheets


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Posted by: chilli Sep 14 2006, 08:12 PM

Very nice chart, Downside is that Porsche offered paint to match. IE mine is sepia brown as paint to match.

mike

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 08:16 PM

what's your paint code???
Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 14 2006, 08:16 PM

PM sent!

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 08:33 PM

Color Name German
Black schwarz
Berber Yellow
Canary / Lemon Yellow zitronengelb
Sun / Sunflower / Summer Yellow sonnengelb
Saturn / Chrome Yellow saturngelb
Nepal Orange
Signal Orange signalorange
Tangerine / Blood Orange blutorange
Malaga Red
Bahia Red bahiarot
Scarlet / Ibiza Red
Phoenix Red phonixrot
Laguna / Lagoon Blue
Adriatic Blue adriablau
Olympic Blue olympiablau
Irish Green irischgrun
Willow / Pasture / Meadow Green weidengrun
Zambezi / Forest Green sambesigrun
Ravenna Green ravennagrun
Light Ivory hellelfenbein
Metallic Palma Green
Metallic Alaska / Ocean Blue alaskametallic
Metallic Silver silbermetallic
Metallic Gemini Blue geminimetallic
Metallic Marathon Blue marathonmetallic
Metallic Viper Green
Metallic Diamond Silver diamant-sibermetallic
Metallic Ancona Blue
Metallic Red / Colorado rotmetallic
Metallic Gold goldmetallic
Metallic Green grunmetallic
Metallic Blue blaumetallic
Metallic Delphi Green / Saturn / Chrome Yellow saturngelb metallic
Metallic Copper kupfermetallic
Color of Choice previously used VW or Porsche #
Color of Choice to supplied sample
Black / Sun Yellow LE
Ivory / Phoenix Red LE

Aubergine aubergine
Lilac flieder
Sahara Biege
Sepia Brown sepiabraun
Guards Red indisrot
Raspberry / Rose Red
Conda Green condagrun

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 08:37 PM

The sepia is code 98 (not L98)
that is why I list them seperately.

I have the 73 color sheets, probably a few extra sets.
I have sheets with actual vinyl and cloth samples for several years, plus some with just photos.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Sep 14 2006, 08:46 PM

Nice work Sir Andrew...I was wondering how long it would take to get something as good as McMarks color page over here.

2 things: I would delete the U3V9 unless you know of some documentation, that code is purely speculation and unlikely given the information we have to date.

Also...how about some linked photos to nice example cars like the Other 914 Color list had...?

Posted by: George H. Sep 14 2006, 08:51 PM

dave i have a 73 sepia color code L98

Posted by: davep Sep 14 2006, 08:57 PM

George, please get a photo of the Karmann badge. These oddballs we really need to document. Please provide the VIN and date code also.

Posted by: T H O M A S Sep 14 2006, 10:14 PM

curtis 914/6 1970 is black,paintcode 10,also my 72 aubergine is code 98 and the 74 aubergine is code L98

Posted by: Lou W Sep 14 2006, 10:26 PM

Great Job Andy

Posted by: johannes Sep 15 2006, 02:03 AM

I have read a thread here that tells the Grasshopper never existed ... you find a code for it ?

Posted by: robby750 Sep 15 2006, 06:16 AM

How do I add the color code info for my car?

Posted by: markb Sep 15 2006, 06:45 AM

Nice work, Andy.

Posted by: Richard Casto Sep 15 2006, 06:55 AM

Speaking of oddballs... I think we talked about this in a thread a year ago, but here is my mismarked Karmann badge...



It is marked L63E (no such color?), but probably is L60E (Irish Green). PO had painted it a bronze color. I will be putting the car back to original color.

VIN: 4722916581 Manf date: 5/1972

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Sep 15 2006, 07:46 AM

Nice work Andy,

I have lots of VW (70's) paint stuff in my files that's not on my computer. PM me if you need something sent by snail mail.

Here's a few things on my computer if it helps.

Tom


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Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Sep 15 2006, 07:47 AM

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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 15 2006, 02:41 PM

find you VIN in the list and edit the details by clicking on your vin-number ...
Andy

Posted by: davep Sep 19 2006, 09:24 PM

Actually, went back and checked my code book, and L63E is a valid code for Willow Green in 1972 (weidengrun) code 4310.

Posted by: McMark Sep 19 2006, 10:37 PM

But the green pictured above certainly doesn't look like Willow Green (pictured below).

Posted by: Richard Casto Sep 20 2006, 08:14 AM

Dave, thanks for digging into your documentation. I am really curious to see what the real story is. I really need to send off for the COA from Porsche to see what they say.



I generally agree that it looks more like Irish Green than Willow Green when you look at photos of cars. And when looking at color charts (such as Andy's new one), it seems like everyones charts are slightly different, so its hard to know what to believe. For example, Tom's scanned image of a 1972 color chart (a few posts above this) shows Irish Green being VERY VERY dark and Willow Green much darker than the car in Mark's photo and more in line with what mine looks like. But I can't believe that Irish Green really is that dark as photos of cars that are supposed to be Irish Green look more like my car.

Here is another photo of my car with a larger area. I think the photo reproduces the color pretty well (at least on my monitor )

Posted by: Ferg Sep 20 2006, 12:38 PM

that sure looks like Irish Green to me, and Mark's pic of willow is right on, from the willow car's i've seen in person.

Ferg

Posted by: McMark Sep 20 2006, 01:02 PM

Ferg said it.

Posted by: davep Sep 20 2006, 01:51 PM

I agree that the color looks too dark for Willow. However, that is exactly what the factory literature says. Perhaps I should scan the page so that you can read for yourselves. Perhaps that is the main reason I did not include the code in my list for so many years despite having the info available for the past 15 to 20 years. It is a similar situation with the two gold codes. Once we can get more definitive data we can nail them down. The L63E has to be rare, I only have Richard Casto's car with that code. I don't have a lot of data on L63K either, and all of them are earlier than Richard's VIN.

Let's beat the bushes for as much data as possible.