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Head studs, Type 1 on a Type 4? |
enikolayev |
Feb 20 2010, 02:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
Missing one head stud for my TIV. Can i use the Type 1 head studs? I have several used Type 1 cases lying around.
I'm guessing its not a good idea to just replace the one head stud since the Type 1 head studs are much thicker and could have a different expansion rate? What if i replaced them all? |
underthetire |
Feb 20 2010, 02:39 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
Best thing to do is ask for one in your area, a lot of guys here have junker motors laying around.
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raw1298 |
Feb 20 2010, 03:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: 9-March 09 From: Rocklin,Ca. Member No.: 10,148 Region Association: Northern California |
I may have one laying around. You need the long one or the short one?
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Mark Henry |
Feb 20 2010, 05:53 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
No the T1 and the T4 are not the same.
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enikolayev |
Feb 20 2010, 10:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
I need the short one... how much shipped to 95838?
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raw1298 |
Feb 21 2010, 12:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: 9-March 09 From: Rocklin,Ca. Member No.: 10,148 Region Association: Northern California |
PM me your address and I will send it out on Monday. You can send money for shipping if you want but no need to.
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enikolayev |
Feb 21 2010, 02:49 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
PM sent. Thanks!
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Katmanken |
Feb 21 2010, 12:20 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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The head stud designs are critical. Randomly swapping out studs that kinda look alike but are different diameter, different length and possibly different material is a no-no. Kinda like trying different size bullets in a gun to see if they will work. The studs are carefully designed to apply a certain force on the head for the torque on the nut. The idea is to hold the head in place with enough torque so the head doesn't move away from the cylinder when the engine fires. Stud stretch is carefully designed in, and the expansion and contraction due to temperature plays a part in the design of the stud and the torque. Different diameter, different length or different material will make the odd stud behave unlike the others. |
raw1298 |
Feb 21 2010, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: 9-March 09 From: Rocklin,Ca. Member No.: 10,148 Region Association: Northern California |
Another teener in my area!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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ME733 |
Feb 21 2010, 02:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 842 Joined: 25-June 08 From: Atlanta Ga. Member No.: 9,209 Region Association: South East States |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) The head stud designs are critical. Randomly swapping out studs that kinda look alike but are different diameter, different length and possibly different material is a no-no. Kinda like trying different size bullets in a gun to see if they will work. The studs are carefully designed to apply a certain force on the head for the torque on the nut. The idea is to hold the head in place with enough torque so the head doesn't move away from the cylinder when the engine fires. Stud stretch is carefully designed in, and the expansion and contraction due to temperature plays a part in the design of the stud and the torque. Different diameter, different length or different material will make the odd stud behave unlike the others. .....................You are correct- completely.......M.M. |
enikolayev |
Feb 21 2010, 06:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
Yeah i was concerned about all that expansion rate mambo jumbo.
I guess, like on other cars where people install ARP head studs and such to increase the torque on the head for turbo applications and such isn't possible with the type IV? I figured if you were consistent, it shouldn't matter. |
scotty b |
Feb 21 2010, 06:57 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
Yeah i was concerned about all that expansion rate mambo jumbo. I guess, like on other cars where people install ARP head studs and such to increase the torque on the head for turbo applications and such isn't possible with the type IV? I figured if you were consistent, it shouldn't matter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Mama loves mambo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
enikolayev |
Feb 24 2010, 04:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks for the hook up on the head studs Randy!
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raw1298 |
Feb 26 2010, 10:23 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: 9-March 09 From: Rocklin,Ca. Member No.: 10,148 Region Association: Northern California |
I am glad to be able to help. Nice meeting you! Let me know if you need anything else.
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