Papa Surf got some winter upgrades, ...then busted a rod first day out.... |
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Papa Surf got some winter upgrades, ...then busted a rod first day out.... |
naro914 |
Mar 19 2013, 06:13 AM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Posted this over in the Paddock, but more of you know me over here....
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=206431 So we spent all winter fitting up a new decklid, wing, splitter, lightweight fiberglass roof, etc only to break a Carillo rod on the third lap out at the Roebling Road PCA race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) No idea what happened, still working on that.... But here's a picture of Papa with his new clothes. They still need to be painted, no the exhaust is not for him (its from the M3 off to the right)...oh, and the engine is not in the car in this picture....yes, that's how stiffly sprung it is... |
stuttgart46 |
Mar 19 2013, 06:39 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Santa Monica, CA Member No.: 8,474 Region Association: None |
I have always loved this car and it just gets better and better.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Mar 19 2013, 08:20 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
Sorry to hear of your mechanical disaster. Might wanna contact Jim Durish at Cunningham Rods for a nice upgrade in your next set of high performance connecting rods. (310) 538-0605
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0396 |
Mar 19 2013, 09:24 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,046 Joined: 13-October 03 From: L.A. Calif Member No.: 1,245 Region Association: Southern California |
Sorry to hear of the failure. Please post your findings of cause of concern.
Good luck on the rebuild. |
Rleog |
Mar 19 2013, 01:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 12-October 03 From: Middleton, MA Member No.: 1,239 Region Association: North East States |
Good to see the Smurf again. Any chance it'll be giving the Targa another go?
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naro914 |
Mar 25 2013, 05:49 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Well...finally got a chance to send out the crank so it can be inspected and figure out what went wrong. Had another crank that might need some work too, so it went with it, along with the rods, bearings etc so they can all be matched up correctly.
Ordering new 11.5:1 pistons (figured now a good a time as any to upgrade from 10.5:1), few cylinders (damaged 3) Need to flush out the entire oil system for metal parts. Gotta get the wing/decklid/roof painted, uprights powder coated and a bunch of other little things. Need a little repair on the case, nothing major. Once all the parts come together, back in the car with the new 915 trans. So much for a relaxing Spring.. |
naro914 |
Mar 25 2013, 05:51 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
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r_towle |
Mar 25 2013, 06:01 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,624 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
Huey is mad at your for putting the wing on Papa.
Go drive Huey. |
naro914 |
Mar 25 2013, 06:25 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Actually took Huey out this weekend for a run around the block. Got in, turned the key and he started right up!!
It's been WAY too cold and rainy to drive Huey lately. But, he's going on a nice weekend in the mountains in a couple weeks with a bunch of other Porsches!! He's getting an oil change and new tires for the drive... |
Al Meredith |
Mar 25 2013, 06:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 967 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Atlanta, ga Member No.: 3,061 |
I missed you and the Carolina group this past weekend at Road "A" Was saving youall a place behind the RV . Al Meredith
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naro914 |
Mar 25 2013, 06:53 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks Al. I really wish we could have been there. James with the Turbo #45 was there - won the entire group! (Group 2??)
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Cairo94507 |
Mar 26 2013, 06:16 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,022 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Sorry to hear about the rod. Love your cars though. Best wishes.
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carr914 |
Mar 26 2013, 06:35 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,083 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Still Wondering how you broke a Carillo - any Pictures?
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0396 |
Mar 26 2013, 02:50 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,046 Joined: 13-October 03 From: L.A. Calif Member No.: 1,245 Region Association: Southern California |
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naro914 |
Mar 26 2013, 03:44 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Here's the history:
Back in September, we spun a rod bearing (at Roebling of all places). Sent the crank away to CCR out in California - THE guy that all the big shops I know of use for crank work. He fixed the crank, did all the stuff needed (nitrite, opened oil passages, etc., etc). And it's that exact same rod on that journal that 'failed'. Was it the rod or the rod bolts that failed due to the heat of the previous spun bearing? did the bearing spin again? did the repair fail? No idea. Just sent the crank back out to CCR for him to analyze. He was VERY concerned and said he would take care of whatever happened. I sent him a second crank along with it, plus all the rods and a new replacement for the broken one, new bearings, etc. So...we'll see. I'll get a picture of the rod tomorrow. |
carr914 |
Mar 26 2013, 06:03 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,083 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
My Experience tells me that unless you have a Long-Term Relationship with a Builder, the guy screwed up and probably not make you whole. In the End it wil Cost you $$ and will the next Crank/Rod/Bearing be any Better. If you need further Consult I know a guy that is Good & much closer
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naro914 |
Mar 26 2013, 06:18 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Hey TC
While I would normally completely agree with you here, Armando (of CCR) came highly recommended by Gordon at Autometrics, Bill Rutner (Rutner Racing), Peter Dawes and others. He actually took very good care of me on the original work he did, and has vowed to help me out here. I can't say it was his fault to begin with. As I said, it could have easily been stressed rod or bolts, things he had nothing to do with. My engine builder/mechanic - Lou at Exclusive Motorwerks - is building it again free of charge with my help (I'm just paying for parts). I think he was as upset as I was that our weekend at Roebling was ruined. We came home late Friday night and he had the engine out and apart by Saturday morning because he couldn't sleep.... We'll see.... |
carr914 |
Mar 26 2013, 08:31 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,083 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Good Then - let us know
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naro914 |
Mar 31 2013, 09:55 AM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Happy Easter everyone...
pics of the broken Carillo rod Things get very violent in an engine... obvious to me is, it started with either a spun bearing, or a bolt backed out allowing the rod to slip, overhead and stress. Question is...why? Bolts were tight - I was helping Lou when he built it and watched everything. He's very methodical and checks and rechecks everything. Was the bolt weak? Dunno. Did the bearing spin in some fashion? yes, but was it because the crank was not repaired correctly or what?? We may never know... |
sixnotfour |
Mar 31 2013, 10:44 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,525 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
What ever the cause, The bearing was spinning before you left the pits..
with that much heat build up. A long time ago there was a 3.0 RSR that blew 3 Frans Blam race engines back to back, at 30k each, The car was sold the new owner was cleaning all the oil lines and discovered the suction line had separated from the outer causing it to collapse under suction, thus killing the engines. There is a coiled steel spring that can be wound in suction lines to prevent the collapse. since this is your 2nd, there maybe some other cause,,IDK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Hope you find a solution (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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