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Vented Heads / Breather Box, One Does - The Other Doesn't!!! |
d7n7master |
Dec 7 2004, 03:25 PM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Hi All,
I tried a "search" but came up with nothin'... I have a 2.0 that needs a rebuild. I have a fresh longblock ready for me to transfer all the accessories now that their re-painted. As I was fitting the engine tin I noticed that my (old) engine has the heads vented. The vent hoses were attached to the air cleaner. The (new) engine has NO VENT PIPES!!! Now what? Should I just add a breather to the oil filler??? Or...? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Thanks, Gary |
URY914 |
Dec 7 2004, 03:36 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 123,027 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
On some engines the valve covers were vented instead of the heads.
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Dave_Darling |
Dec 7 2004, 03:39 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,048 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Actually, all of the vented valve covers in 914s that I've seen have been add-ons.
The earliest 914s did not, I believe, have vents in the heads. Nor did the 75-76es; or possibly just those of the latter years that had EGR and/or a smog pump. It's probably a good idea to have the rocker box vented... --DD |
URY914 |
Dec 7 2004, 03:43 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 123,027 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
I have a engine from a teener that has vented v/c but it may have been done by a previous owner. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
Who knows? Paul |
d7n7master |
Dec 7 2004, 05:27 PM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Thanks alot everyone.
I've seen some interesting looking breather boxes venting @ the oil filler. From what I've read here on the board - that's not enough unless you can mount the breather box way-up-high. Guess I'll look for vented valve covers as well. |
SLITS |
Dec 7 2004, 06:05 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Drill and tap the boss that is on the heads and run the fitting of your choice. You can do it off the engine or on the engine.
(IMG:http://www.rccauto.com/ebay/boss.jpg) |
bperry |
Dec 7 2004, 10:04 PM
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Lurker Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 16-February 04 From: Dallas, Tx Member No.: 1,661 |
Any suggestions on fittings?
Can you just tap the hole and use a threaded brass fitting directly? --- bill |
SLITS |
Dec 7 2004, 10:20 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(bperry @ Dec 7 2004, 09:04 PM) Any suggestions on fittings? Can you just tap the hole and use a threaded brass fitting directly? --- bill Standard pipe thread hose barb....I would think about 3/8" i.d. (guessing). I would try to match the factory i.d. If doing this while the head is on the engine, I would use a shop vac to suck up the metal as you drill and tap. You can also use heavy grease on the tap to trap the cuttings to avoid metal intrusion into the engine. |
SirAndy |
Dec 7 2004, 10:34 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,815 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
yupp, early engines didn't have the head-vents.
in fact, my '74 1.8L engine didn't have them. BUT, those engines didn't have a PCV valve either, they were venting the crankcase through the oil-filler neck hose to the air cleaner without a valve. if you mix & match parts make sure the breather system is working properly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy |
machina |
Dec 8 2004, 07:03 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848 |
my head, one of them at least (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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URY914 |
Dec 8 2004, 08:43 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 123,027 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Dec 7 2004, 08:20 PM) QUOTE(bperry @ Dec 7 2004, 09:04 PM) Any suggestions on fittings? Can you just tap the hole and use a threaded brass fitting directly? --- bill Standard pipe thread hose barb....I would think about 3/8" i.d. (guessing). I would try to match the factory i.d. If doing this while the head is on the engine, I would use a shop vac to suck up the metal as you drill and tap. You can also use heavy grease on the tap to trap the cuttings to avoid metal intrusion into the engine. Also take the v/c off and use the shop vac inside to suck the cutting out from the inside. I drilled a hole and epoxied (JB Weld) a barb onto my v/c. No leaks and simple. but be careful of the location in relation to the bale wire. Mine are on the ends toward the top. P |
d7n7master |
Dec 8 2004, 09:31 AM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
That's where the p.o. - or someone installed the vent pipes on my (old) engine. Right @ the boss. Looks like I'm off to Harbor Freight - again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) |
Dave_Darling |
Dec 8 2004, 05:49 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,048 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
BTW, a setup like that makes it a bit tough to replace the vent hoses. Space is very tight... Especially if you're trying to undo a hose clamp right there!
--DD |
bperry |
Dec 8 2004, 05:59 PM
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Lurker Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 16-February 04 From: Dallas, Tx Member No.: 1,661 |
Space is tight, but to me it really doesn't seem any different than
the factory vent tubes. And if you size the fitting properly won't you be able to get away without having clamps just like the factory vent tubes? --- bill |
d7n7master |
Dec 10 2004, 11:47 AM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
I never had clamps on the hoses (on the old engine). I used a 'lil bit of permatex (black) on the inside of the hose ends, shoved them onto the vent tubes & let it dry overnight. No leaks.
But now that I'm thinkin' about it - the oil level in the v/c's wouldn't ever fill to that level anyway - would it??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Thanks, Gary |
Porsche Rescue |
Dec 10 2004, 01:36 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
I don't know about how "full" the valve covers get but I lost a hose at the head during a recent autocross. From the amount of oil puddling under my car and splashed around the engine tin I thought I had serious problem. Re-attached the hose and all is well (after cleaning oil off rear shock, control arm, spring, inside of wheel, etc).
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machina |
Dec 10 2004, 01:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848 |
QUOTE(Porsche Rescue @ Dec 10 2004, 02:36 PM) I don't know about how "full" the valve covers get This is how full they get. It's a type I but you get the idea. Attached image(s) |
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