Which Lights Are On With Rear Euro Lenses, ...orange panels are on with headlights |
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Which Lights Are On With Rear Euro Lenses, ...orange panels are on with headlights |
7TPorsh |
Jun 10 2014, 09:50 AM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
I put on my rear euro lenses and am noticing that the turn signal part (orange) lights up with the red when my lights are on.
When I hit the brakes the red light up brighter. Turn signals, the orange gets brighter. Is the wiring different on the euro cars? Do they drive around with the orange lights on all the time? I don;t really drive at night but I have been pulled over for this before when I owned my MG with euro lenses. |
Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 10 2014, 10:07 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
Big secret: The European lenses are made for use with, wait for it: ................................................... European tail light housings! Just as the front buckets are different, so are the rears. They have an additional separator, I believe, and the side marker bulbs are wired differently. This seems to be one of those nobody talks about ............. And, no, the lenses are NOT legal for use on the street in the US. I had the same problem with my 1990 Audi 20v Quattro.
The Cap'n |
7TPorsh |
Jun 10 2014, 10:22 AM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
hmmmm.....this sux. Yes BIG secret. Never seen Euro rear buckets listed.
So I have to figure out a way to cut off the turn signal filament when the lights are on...the side marker needs to stay on for light...orange light I guess. Too much to deal with for the little night driving I do. I guess most of you guys drive around with the orange on all the time and hope for the best? |
toolguy |
Jun 10 2014, 10:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,273 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
in the 70's, US vehicle codes called for side view facing lamps which were yellow at the front and red at the rear. . having yellow show at the rear is the legal infraction. . so changing bulb positions will do nothing to make Euro lens' legal in the US. .
and that's why we have front fender warts also. . taking them off is also an infraction |
MDG |
Jun 10 2014, 11:12 AM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
factory front turn buckets; sorry - I can't find pics of my rear ones. If you look closely you can see the divider/reflector that the North American ones don't have. The rears are similar.
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GeorgeRud |
Jun 10 2014, 11:28 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
After 40 years of owning at least one 914 continuously, this is the first I've heard of the different rear light assemblies. Thanks for sharing - you learn something new every day.
Hopefully someone can post a picture for us to see! |
Allan |
Jun 10 2014, 11:40 AM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
I seem to remember someone doing a modification to the housings a long time ago. Have you tried searching for euro tail light conversion?
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Porschef |
Jun 10 2014, 12:03 PM
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How you doin' Group: Members Posts: 2,175 Joined: 7-September 10 From: LawnGuyland Member No.: 12,152 Region Association: North East States |
Remove the bulb.
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Spoke |
Jun 10 2014, 12:15 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 7,052 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
So for the LED turnsignals I've been working on when done in amber, the LED array should be off when just running lights are on. I've had the array dimly lit when just running lights are on.
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Jacco |
Jun 10 2014, 12:20 PM
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Designated Dutchman Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 23-February 04 From: the Netherlands Member No.: 1,703 Region Association: Europe |
here's a picture of the inside of my (euro) taillight
there's no reflector piece near the side marker bulb, there's also no bulb or connection to the holder on the far sides. Not much exciting going on, should be straight forward I guess. For euro spec: Blinkers should not be on at the same time as the driving lights, and should also not get brighter when you brake. Probably a wiring issue. There's some minor differences in the euro and us spec wiring harnessess, but not at the rear lights, only at the fronts because of the side marker lenses. Cheers, Jacco |
Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 10 2014, 02:03 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
There you go. I knew there was a difference, and so there is. Just not exactly what I thought. Thanks for the clarification!
The Cap'n |
dcecc1968 |
Jun 10 2014, 02:14 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 31-December 12 From: Concord, NC Member No.: 15,313 Region Association: South East States |
This is a bummer, I have been planning going with Euro rear lenses ever since I bought my teener.
Something tells me I saw a thread where someone covered the US lense bucket separator with aluminum foil to produce the correct lighting using the euro lense? Wouldn't this work? |
sfrenck |
Jun 10 2014, 05:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 492 Joined: 28-February 10 From: Wilmington, DE Member No.: 11,411 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
This is a bummer, I have been planning going with Euro rear lenses ever since I bought my teener. Something tells me I saw a thread where someone covered the US lense bucket separator with aluminum foil to produce the correct lighting using the euro lense? Wouldn't this work? Post #36 here: EuroFoil Just did it myself |
dcecc1968 |
Jun 11 2014, 06:00 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 31-December 12 From: Concord, NC Member No.: 15,313 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks Scott.
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7TPorsh |
Jun 11 2014, 03:18 PM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
I like the foil idea.Maybe a one sided red LED. i think I have seen those somewhere; they project 90 degrees, or 180 degrees...in red.
Separator should be easy. I did this on the front since I don't have the correct buckets....but i knew the front were different. The separator is made from thin roof flashing...snipped. Actually holding the bulb in place: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=236137 |
7TPorsh |
Jun 11 2014, 07:53 PM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
I'm not near my car for awhile so can't look at the bucket but looking at the other thread and seeing the inside of the US buckets; it looks like changing the reflector to a red reflector and changing to a red bulb would mitigate the marker lights issue.
Then maybe to block out the orange driving filaments; file down the contact on the bulb so the one filament doesn't light? Talking about incandescent bulbs. I am guessing the wiring is in the bucket; if not just kill power on the orange driving wire. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
eitnurg |
Jun 12 2014, 04:55 AM
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Country Member Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Nairobi Member No.: 62 Region Association: None |
There are no differences on the “Euro” tail light housings: they just simply omitted the side-marker bulb and its holder, and the reflector piece. The Euro lenses have the prism effect all the way round; the USA ones have a flat, clear (but still red) section at each end that the side marker shines through. Other than that, they are identical. There are certainly no wiring differences (other than the omission to the side marker).
Why not use the attached (or similar) to paint the side-marker bulb red? It’s commonly available in artist’s materials or graphics supplies, a clear translucent (but coloured) paint, for painting glass. I don’t know how it stands up to heat, but the amber version is invaluable for painting clear bulbs to be amber flashers behind clear lenses: that 5w marker bulb should be no problem, and showing red should satisfy the most anal vehicle inspector. Showing red through an amber lens should look quite funky too. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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