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Title?, How the hell do I get a title for this thing? |
VWTortuga336 |
Nov 16 2014, 09:26 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 5-October 14 From: Kansas City, Missouri Member No.: 17,979 Region Association: None |
I'm in sort of an odd predicament and I want to see if anyone here has had to deal with anything similar. Here's the deal:
I live in Missouri and I just bought a '74 914 from a guy who was going to sell it for parts. I bought it cheap because of this. He bought it from another guy who bought it to sell it for parts. The title was not transferred either time. So, the title now has the "original" (as of 1987ish) on the front and the "next" owner (as of 2002) on the back as the buyer. I am in possession of the title, but it doesn't do me much good in it's current state. I contacted the original owner, who then contacted the state DMV. The DMV told him that he could not simply apply for a replacement title, as every car the car changed hands the title should have been transferred - each sale was not legal. So he can't help me either. He did seem willing to tell the DMV "yeah, I don't own it anymore". Luckily, the guy I bought the car from has been very willing to help throughout this whole process and will be calling the Missouri state DMV tomorrow to see what they have to say. If we can't get a clear title, the guy offered to give me my money back, so I'm not too worried about that aspect. I just don't want to have to give the car back (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Anyone ever been through something like this???? |
bandjoey |
Nov 16 2014, 09:59 AM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,930 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Was it a steal of a deal? If not there are good cars out there with a title. If it's THE car ask about a bonded title. You buy an insurance bond to get the title. However it'll be harder to sell the car later. It's a step above salvage but who cares if you plan on keeping it. This is for a keeper. Good luck.
Many pictures help knowing the condition to see if it's worth it. |
green914 |
Nov 16 2014, 10:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,467 Joined: 29-March 11 From: Sacramento, California Member No.: 12,874 Region Association: Northern California |
Most likely be different at DMV from state to state. It will all come down to how much is owed in penalties/fines to resurrect the title.
I bought one in the same situation, California DMV wanted $1801 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) in penalties and other fees; it got parted out instead. |
t collins |
Nov 16 2014, 10:04 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,270 Joined: 21-March 06 From: Virginia Member No.: 5,754 Region Association: None |
You might try these guys http://www.broadwaytitle.com/ if all else fails (no personal experience or affiliation)
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VWTortuga336 |
Nov 16 2014, 10:46 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 5-October 14 From: Kansas City, Missouri Member No.: 17,979 Region Association: None |
Was it a steal of a deal? If not there are good cars out there with a title. If it's THE car ask about a bonded title. You buy an insurance bond to get the title. However it'll be harder to sell the car later. It's a step above salvage but who cares if you plan on keeping it. This is for a keeper. Good luck. Many pictures help knowing the condition to see if it's worth it. I feel like it was a steal of a deal - $800. But I could be wrong. Here are some pics of the car. So far, I know I will need to: Buy a rebuilt bottom end and P&C (heads look good) Rebuild carbs (they are rusted and seized) Flush gas tank Replace fuel lines Replace brake lines Rebuild brake calipers Buy new coil Buy battery Buy new tires Body seems to be very straight. A few spots of the paint are starting to bubble from rust and the outer rockers are probably 50% gone. Paint does look like it will polish up pretty nicely. Rest of the car seems pretty solid. I'm a noob when it comes to all this stuff though, I'm just learning as I go. Thoughts? Attached thumbnail(s) Attached image(s) |
dlee6204 |
Nov 16 2014, 10:58 AM
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Howdy Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
The title holder SHOULD be able to apply for a replacement title. Possibly just have him try a different DMV and skip the part about it changing hands (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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altitude411 |
Nov 16 2014, 11:01 AM
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I drove my 6 into a tree Group: Members Posts: 1,306 Joined: 21-September 14 From: montana Member No.: 17,932 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
100 mph tape holding the gas pedal together? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I think I'd look a little deeper into the structure of the car. Seriously, pull the rockers and inspect the outer and inner longs and the rest of the suspect areas... paint is the least of your concerns my friend.
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914Sixer |
Nov 16 2014, 11:14 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,989 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Missouri License & Title Agency in K C. Check with them. All I did was Google.
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VWTortuga336 |
Nov 16 2014, 11:19 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 5-October 14 From: Kansas City, Missouri Member No.: 17,979 Region Association: None |
100 mph tape holding the gas pedal together? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I think I'd look a little deeper into the structure of the car. Seriously, pull the rockers and inspect the outer and inner longs and the rest of the suspect areas... paint is the least of your concerns my friend. I understand paint is at the bottom of the list at this point. I'm just wondering if THIS car is worth fighting for, or if I should just give it back and move on. |
altitude411 |
Nov 16 2014, 11:31 AM
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I drove my 6 into a tree Group: Members Posts: 1,306 Joined: 21-September 14 From: montana Member No.: 17,932 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I didn't mean to come across as a downer.... but there's only one way to stop wondering. Remove the rockers and carpet and check out the bones of this car. Only then will you know for sure what to do. If you have questions, post pictures and get feed back from the World. They're here for you. Good luck.
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stevegm |
Nov 16 2014, 11:36 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,111 Joined: 14-July 14 From: North Carolina Member No.: 17,633 Region Association: South East States |
100 mph tape holding the gas pedal together? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I think I'd look a little deeper into the structure of the car. Seriously, pull the rockers and inspect the outer and inner longs and the rest of the suspect areas... paint is the least of your concerns my friend. I agree. You can't really place a value on it, or figure out where to go form here, without understanding the rust situation. The value of the car is the market value of the car (with potential repairs done) minus the cost of those repairs. That will determine whether you got a deal or not. None-the-less, it looks pretty good, and seems to have a lot of very attractive stuff on it. But, dig into the car to really find out. |
914itis |
Nov 16 2014, 11:58 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
The title holder SHOULD be able to apply for a replacement title. Possibly just have him try a different DMV and skip the part about it changing hands (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I agree ! Skip the other buyers, lost title. Keep it simple. |
VWTortuga336 |
Nov 16 2014, 12:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 5-October 14 From: Kansas City, Missouri Member No.: 17,979 Region Association: None |
The title holder SHOULD be able to apply for a replacement title. Possibly just have him try a different DMV and skip the part about it changing hands (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I agree ! Skip the other buyers, lost title. Keep it simple. I 100% agree with that too. Unfortunately, the title holder called the state DMV and told them the situation. I think the DMV scared him into not doing that. He isn't willing to help any further at this point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
tradisrad |
Nov 16 2014, 12:11 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 985 Joined: 11-September 06 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 6,815 Region Association: Northern California |
I bought a car w/o a title and all I had to do was fill out the proper paper work and I was good to go. If I recall I had a bill of sale and filled out papers for application of title. There may have been one or two more papers to fill out.
Check with your DMV. In CA it was not too hard to deal with. |
Mark Henry |
Nov 16 2014, 02:13 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
George would sell you a title. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hide.gif)
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JoeDees |
Nov 16 2014, 02:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-November 14 From: Northern Kentucky Member No.: 18,106 Region Association: None |
Hide the title. Get a bill of sale from the last seller. Most states have a title application form that will require a certified letter sent to the last registered owner who will have to say whether they have a legal right to the car, if they say no you are granted the title. Usually the hardest part is tracing down that owner.
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carr914 |
Nov 16 2014, 03:01 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,083 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
You might try these guys http://www.broadwaytitle.com/ if all else fails (no personal experience or affiliation) That would be a NO! Do a Google Search |
VWTortuga336 |
Nov 16 2014, 04:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 5-October 14 From: Kansas City, Missouri Member No.: 17,979 Region Association: None |
Hide the title. Get a bill of sale from the last seller. Most states have a title application form that will require a certified letter sent to the last registered owner who will have to say whether they have a legal right to the car, if they say no you are granted the title. Usually the hardest part is tracing down that owner. I'll give that a try since I've already tracked the "owner" on the title. Do you see any concerns since he signed the title over to another buyer, or is he still considered the legal owner? |
914itis |
Nov 16 2014, 04:52 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
In NY state , the buyer can use the signed titke to order a new title under his name.
He can authorize you to register the car on your name but he is still the owner, when the title comes he signs it over to you. |
bandjoey |
Nov 16 2014, 10:15 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,930 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Another thought....
You can get about $4-500 for the wheels alone if they're true. Parts sales will move you into a titled car. Sell it off and find a driver for spring. |
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