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rear fender-to-tire spacing not the same, is this a problem? |
zeezee |
Jul 1 2010, 05:06 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 16-October 08 From: san ramon, ca Member No.: 9,651 Region Association: Northern California |
I've noticed the left rear tire rubbing the fender on occasion.
The right has a little more than 1/2 inch of room. The left has less than 1/4 inch. Is this difference normal? Or an indication of a problem I should be looking into. 195x50 tires. No spacers. The car seems to sit level. Wheels are cambered and toed the same. |
SLITS |
Jul 1 2010, 05:20 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
They're all different ... no one said the Germans were precise. Just a normal occurance.
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detoxcowboy |
Jul 1 2010, 06:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,294 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 8,642 Region Association: Africa |
I had simalar spacing between tire and fenderwell, but a rear wheel allighnment cleared that up quite a bit.. could be your rear wheel camber/toe are different for each wheel, also tire wear ect.. get a pro rear wheel allighnment and see the truth.. rubbing is not factory ..
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URY914 |
Jul 1 2010, 06:14 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 123,027 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Pretty normal really.
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zeezee |
Jul 1 2010, 06:14 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 16-October 08 From: san ramon, ca Member No.: 9,651 Region Association: Northern California |
Thanks for the replys.
Possibly related: I see that the rear-trunk shock mounts are not equal either. The right side has about 1/2 inch more shock thread showing than the left. Never fear - theres a stack of shimms on the right to make up for it. (even proper 914 shims)! I haven't taken anything apart to see why this would be done. |
rohar |
Jul 1 2010, 06:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 924 Joined: 25-October 08 From: spokane Member No.: 9,685 Region Association: None |
Hate to point out the obvious, but it's a 35 year old car. If it's not an alignment issue, look for evidence of bodywork. There's no telling what kind of damage this thing has seen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I had a similar issue on mine. I measured the distance from the fender lip to the longitudinals at 3" spaces all around the fender well and corrected the bad fender with a small scissor jack and a couple of straps of plywood to reduce scarring. Cracked the heck out of the paint, but it needed paint anyway. |
jt914-6 |
Jul 1 2010, 06:32 PM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
On my 914 I have the same issue. Less fender room on the left than right. This is on one with steel flares. A friend with FG flares also has the same issue. Neither of us are rubbing on the left side and we both have correct alighnment.....
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windforfun |
Jul 1 2010, 07:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,956 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Blackhawk, CA Member No.: 8,476 Region Association: None |
Perhaps new rear springs would help?
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tat2dphreak |
Jul 1 2010, 09:30 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE Perhaps new rear springs would help? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) or it could even be an adjustment in the front... if the front right height isn't equal... the high front side will cause the opposite corner in the rear to be lower |
rick 918-S |
Jul 1 2010, 09:31 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,680 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
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forcefed |
Jul 2 2010, 12:28 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 7-October 09 From: CO, rockies and so cal Member No.: 10,901 Region Association: None |
Actually they all came this way from the factory, a very legitimate source told me this the other day.
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76-914 |
Jul 2 2010, 08:37 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,611 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
My right side is the closer of the two. 8mm differnece.
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detoxcowboy |
Jul 2 2010, 10:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,294 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 8,642 Region Association: Africa |
A small differnece is also common in old VW's, wait a minute these are old VW's, but excessive shimming on one side and 1/2 dif. inch on shock mounts, plus occasional tire rubbing are all sighns..and not factory.. check your shocks, springs and bushings,tie rods, tires ect.. BEFORE!.. you get a four wheel allighnment..
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Eric_Shea |
Jul 2 2010, 01:57 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE Never fear - theres a stack of shimms on the right to make up for it. (even proper 914 shims)! Ummmm that would cause me fear... no such thing as a "stack" of proper 914 shims. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) You have other issues at work here. |
Mike Bellis |
Jul 2 2010, 10:44 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,346 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
I've got an Eastwood Fender Roller set up (modified) to fit Porsche bolt pattern. If you want to try it for clearance let me know... Neighbor
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zeezee |
Jul 3 2010, 02:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 16-October 08 From: san ramon, ca Member No.: 9,651 Region Association: Northern California |
I repaired some front end damage early in ownership. Bent control arms and damaged ball joints I'd contribute to too many curb impacts or the like. So I may be just trying to find more - or being too anal about the car.
Here is the shock tower difference. The pictures now show why. Such a simple answer. There are 3/8" worth of shims on the rear right though. I measured the front fenders-to-ground. They are the same - 24". Both control arms adjustment-to-ground are the same - 6.5". The shocks are the cheap ones no one here likes (KYB?). |
SirAndy |
Jul 3 2010, 03:00 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,815 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
The pictures now show why. Such a simple answer. Looks like the car was hit pretty hard at one time. I bet the frame is bend ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy |
zeezee |
Jul 3 2010, 03:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 16-October 08 From: san ramon, ca Member No.: 9,651 Region Association: Northern California |
I'll chalk up the tire-to-fender difference as being "typical". 914World searches indicate tire width of 195 is max with non-flares and I agree with that. I'll look into fender rolling and pulling. I will also add professional alignment and new shocks to my to-do list. Thanks for all the replies! This site is very helpful for a non-mechanic, like me. I really love my 914. |
zeezee |
Jul 3 2010, 03:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 16-October 08 From: san ramon, ca Member No.: 9,651 Region Association: Northern California |
The pictures now show why. Such a simple answer. Looks like the car was hit pretty hard at one time. I bet the frame is bend ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy I see that the nuts are different sizes. What are you seeing? |
underthetire |
Jul 3 2010, 03:17 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
I'm running wide 205's all they way around with no rubbing, and both sides within a 1/8" of each other. The strut mount welded in makes me wonder on the short side what happened, and if the lower part of the strut that holds the spring in to the strut is not set right, you will have that as well. I would pull the strut on that side and check it out, only takes 10 minutes to get it out. I had one side come apart on me on the FWY, fixed it at lunch in the parking lot.
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