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icer9 |
Sep 1 2010, 02:56 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 28-August 10 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 12,114 Region Association: None |
I realize that this is likely a simple question, but can someone explian the difference between the side shifter and standard factory setup?
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underthetire |
Sep 1 2010, 03:06 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
Side shifter is a factory set up on 73+ cars. I'm sure Dr. Evil or someone can post pics, that would clear things up for you more than me trying to type an explanation.
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elmonte |
Sep 1 2010, 03:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 225 Joined: 31-March 03 From: Danville.ca Member No.: 499 |
Try here all you would want to know about 914 trans http://www.roadglue.com/wiki/index.php?tit...14_transmission Cheers |
pcar916 |
Sep 1 2010, 03:30 PM
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Is that a Lola? Group: Members Posts: 1,523 Joined: 2-June 05 From: Little Rock, AR Member No.: 4,188 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The side-shifter is considered the more precise system. That's because it has fewer parts over a shorter distance and goes into the transaxle directly on the side rather than traveling to the back of the transmission first.
In the tail-shifter the shift rod is longer and moves with levers and cams located on the back of the transaxle housing. All those parts have more wiggle-factor in them and make for a pretty vague shift pattern, even when it's in perfect working order. The tail-shifter has more pieces at the bottom of the shifter inside the car as well. That's because the early 914's and 911's had a ball and socket there, which reversed the right/left movement from the later 914's. That was to keep the shift pattern the same over all years from the driver's perspective. |
icer9 |
Sep 1 2010, 07:18 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 28-August 10 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 12,114 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The side-shifter is considered the more precise system. That's because it has fewer parts over a shorter distance and goes into the transaxle directly on the side rather than traveling to the back of the transmission first. In the tail-shifter the shift rod is longer and moves with levers and cams located on the back of the transaxle housing. All those parts have more wiggle-factor in them and make for a pretty vague shift pattern, even when it's in perfect working order. The tail-shifter has more pieces at the bottom of the shifter inside the car as well. That's because the early 914's and 911's had a ball and socket there, which reversed the right/left movement from the later 914's. That was to keep the shift pattern the same over all years from the driver's perspective. great, thanks. Was this an option, standard, or conversion? |
mepstein |
Sep 1 2010, 07:22 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,518 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The 914 trans was first a 911 trans. When it was adapted for a 914 it was turned 180 so the shift rod went from being very short to very long. The side shifter reduced the length of the rod and made for a better shift.
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brant |
Sep 1 2010, 07:37 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,739 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The side-shifter is considered the more precise system. That's because it has fewer parts over a shorter distance and goes into the transaxle directly on the side rather than traveling to the back of the transmission first. In the tail-shifter the shift rod is longer and moves with levers and cams located on the back of the transaxle housing. All those parts have more wiggle-factor in them and make for a pretty vague shift pattern, even when it's in perfect working order. The tail-shifter has more pieces at the bottom of the shifter inside the car as well. That's because the early 914's and 911's had a ball and socket there, which reversed the right/left movement from the later 914's. That was to keep the shift pattern the same over all years from the driver's perspective. great, thanks. Was this an option, standard, or conversion? early 914's came stock with a tail shift (1970/71/72) starting in 73, the factory upgraded the to what is called a "side shift" and built them so in 1973/74/75/76 the 6 cylinder cars had a 3rd type of linkage that is also a side shift, but utilizing different parts in 1970/71/72 factory parts. just an improvement by the factory that was instituted in 1973 |
icer9 |
Sep 1 2010, 07:38 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 28-August 10 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 12,114 Region Association: None |
The 914 trans was first a 911 trans. When it was adapted for a 914 it was turned 180 so the shift rod went from being very short to very long. The side shifter reduced the length of the rod and made for a better shift. Thanks. I'm local and just cut through Landenberg on my way to DE. Looking for a 914 for sale. If you know of any local for sale, let me know. I'll bring adult beverages for the trouble. |
mepstein |
Sep 1 2010, 08:04 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,518 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Mine is down in VA at Scotty B's getting restored and converted to a 6. All the ones I've seen for sale have rust issues. They all look good in the pictures but the "minor surface rust" turns out to be hell hole, longs, floor pans, ect. $5-10K repairs. Ask me how I know... Unless your really lucky, buying someones restored car is the way to go. You can pick up a nice car for half what it costs to do yourself. Just make sure it was really "rustored", not bondo or fiberglassed over rust.
There's a air cooled car show in central NJ. Someone might have something nice for sale there. Give a ring/email next time your coming through - Mark@MarkEpstein.net |
icer9 |
Sep 1 2010, 08:24 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 28-August 10 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 12,114 Region Association: None |
Mine is down in VA at Scotty B's getting restored and converted to a 6. All the ones I've seen for sale have rust issues. They all look good in the pictures but the "minor surface rust" turns out to be hell hole, longs, floor pans, ect. $5-10K repairs. Ask me how I know... Unless your really lucky, buying someones restored car is the way to go. You can pick up a nice car for half what it costs to do yourself. Just make sure it was really "rustored", not bondo or fiberglassed over rust. There's a air cooled car show in central NJ. Someone might have something nice for sale there. Give a ring/email next time your coming through - Mark@MarkEpstein.net I'm looking for a restored, or close to restored. There is an ad on this site for an alaska blue 74 2.0. Looks good for 6500.00. Spoke withn the owner...said no issues, no rust. Appreciate the help. happy to talk cars...I'll drop you a note when I come through. You can do the same when in malvern or center City (work). robert.schiller@compservicesinc.com |
Tom_T |
Sep 1 2010, 11:39 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The side-shifter is considered the more precise system. That's because it has fewer parts over a shorter distance and goes into the transaxle directly on the side rather than traveling to the back of the transmission first. In the tail-shifter the shift rod is longer and moves with levers and cams located on the back of the transaxle housing. All those parts have more wiggle-factor in them and make for a pretty vague shift pattern, even when it's in perfect working order. The tail-shifter has more pieces at the bottom of the shifter inside the car as well. That's because the early 914's and 911's had a ball and socket there, which reversed the right/left movement from the later 914's. That was to keep the shift pattern the same over all years from the driver's perspective. great, thanks. Was this an option, standard, or conversion? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) 70-72 was a tail shifter - which was great & short throw when turned around with the tail forward in the 911s/912s, but was a bit like scratching your left ear by reaching over your head with your right hand, rather than reaching up with your left! ... if you can picture that analogy ..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) In 73 the factory converted it to a side-sift linkage for the rest of the run through 76 MY. So any 70-72 with a side-shift is a conversion, but all 73-76 side shifts are factory standard. Basically any early tail shifter can be converted to side shifter, & in fact my 73 transaxle was rebuilt with the 73 innards in a 72 914/11... case (the original case was too worn inside. Look at Dr. Evil's video & the other info. noted above for more details. BTW - If you're wanting to keep your early 914 as original for collectibility or concours reasons, then keep it tail shift but redo the bushings (& rebuild the transaxle if needed) to "tighten up the action. |
icer9 |
Sep 2 2010, 06:50 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 28-August 10 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 12,114 Region Association: None |
Mine is down in VA at Scotty B's getting restored and converted to a 6. All the ones I've seen for sale have rust issues. They all look good in the pictures but the "minor surface rust" turns out to be hell hole, longs, floor pans, ect. $5-10K repairs. Ask me how I know... Unless your really lucky, buying someones restored car is the way to go. You can pick up a nice car for half what it costs to do yourself. Just make sure it was really "rustored", not bondo or fiberglassed over rust. There's a air cooled car show in central NJ. Someone might have something nice for sale there. Give a ring/email next time your coming through - Mark@MarkEpstein.net Hey Mark, it's Bobby in Malvern. When is the show in central NJ? Is it a 914 show specifically or Porsche show? |
mepstein |
Sep 2 2010, 07:22 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,518 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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SirAndy |
Sep 2 2010, 07:57 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,815 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
the 6 cylinder cars had a 3rd type of linkage that is also a side shift The factory /6 cars had a tail shifter, similar to the early /4 cars ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
brant |
Sep 2 2010, 09:10 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,739 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
the 6 cylinder cars had a 3rd type of linkage that is also a side shift The factory /6 cars had a tail shifter, similar to the early /4 cars ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy oops.. my mistake I meant to say similar to a "tail shift"... but different. oops. |
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