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123 ignition pros -cons ? |
jims914 |
Apr 3 2023, 11:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 11-March 11 From: Tempe,AZ Member No.: 12,816 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Anyone have any Pros or Cons for a 123 ignition D-jet tune-4-r-v-p unit for 74 2.0 ?
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rjames |
Apr 4 2023, 12:12 AM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 4,111 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The only ‘con’ is the price tag, and that’s forgotten soon after you install it- which I guess is really another ‘pro’. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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BeatNavy |
Apr 4 2023, 04:37 AM
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Certified Professional Scapegoat Group: Members Posts: 2,933 Joined: 26-February 14 From: Easton, MD Member No.: 17,042 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'd add that can be a little tricky/confusing to install and get the timing and curve dialed in. Once you get there it's rock solid.
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Lockwodo |
Apr 4 2023, 07:17 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 23-December 21 From: Santa Cruz, Californnia Member No.: 26,193 Region Association: Northern California |
I also have a '74 2.0 and installing the 123 ignition has been a game changer. The engine starts, idles and accelerates much more smoothly. With the USB feature and cell phone app, you can set custom advance curves and see real time data. It was easy to install and the technical support from the company is good.
It is a bit pricey, but how much time do you spend now chasing down spark timing, condenser and trigger point related issues? |
Optimusglen |
Apr 4 2023, 07:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 919 Joined: 26-February 16 From: Minneapolis Member No.: 19,709 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Agreed with the others, the price is a little steep but soon forgotten after you have it in and running. I've loved every minute of mine. It's been going for about 8000 miles on the 6-cyl now.
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rfinegan |
Apr 4 2023, 08:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,016 Joined: 8-February 13 From: NC Member No.: 15,499 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have an early one for my 2.0 DJet vac port
123/Porsche-4-R-V-IE electronic ignition It has dip switches you select the configuration for the application Seem to work VERY well . Drop in and go. No programming needed or special curve files. |
jims914 |
Apr 4 2023, 09:02 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 11-March 11 From: Tempe,AZ Member No.: 12,816 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Thanks everyone for your input.
I have been concerned about the FI trigger points ? Looks like i am sold. Thanks again |
mgphoto |
Apr 4 2023, 09:08 AM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,363 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
I’ve used the Bluetooth and non Bluetooth versions, modified engine use the Bluetooth to tune, stock engine non Bluetooth just pick a curve and install.
I’ve rebuilt several Bosch distributors but the 123 is a different animal, costly yes, worth it, yes. |
Lockwodo |
Apr 4 2023, 09:10 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 23-December 21 From: Santa Cruz, Californnia Member No.: 26,193 Region Association: Northern California |
Yes, my 914 was "bucking" under acceleration. I replaced the throttle position sensor and cleaned the trigger points several times but the problem remained. Installing the 123 ignition took care of it.
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gonzo54 |
Apr 4 2023, 09:21 AM
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Orange Crush Group: Members Posts: 234 Joined: 10-May 19 From: Seal Beach, CA Member No.: 23,112 Region Association: Southern California |
Yes, my 914 was "bucking" under acceleration. I replaced the throttle position sensor and cleaned the trigger points several times but the problem remained. Installing the 123 ignition took care of it. That's interesting-I've been fooling with the TPS including a new 914 Rubber board had the trigger points out several times to clean and the bucking problem always comes back. So how much is the 123 ignition and what is the best model for a 2056 with a mild Webcam? Thanks-Rick |
mgphoto |
Apr 4 2023, 09:52 AM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,363 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
Yes, my 914 was "bucking" under acceleration. I replaced the throttle position sensor and cleaned the trigger points several times but the problem remained. Installing the 123 ignition took care of it. That's interesting-I've been fooling with the TPS including a new 914 Rubber board had the trigger points out several times to clean and the bucking problem always comes back. So how much is the 123 ignition and what is the best model for a 2056 with a mild Webcam? Thanks-Rick Low speed bucking was a problem I couldn’t get rid of, 123 solved that issue, I think it is associated with vacuum can problems. You need a Bluetooth version for tuning. |
JamesM |
Apr 4 2023, 10:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Yes, my 914 was "bucking" under acceleration. I replaced the throttle position sensor and cleaned the trigger points several times but the problem remained. Installing the 123 ignition took care of it. That's interesting-I've been fooling with the TPS including a new 914 Rubber board had the trigger points out several times to clean and the bucking problem always comes back. So how much is the 123 ignition and what is the best model for a 2056 with a mild Webcam? Thanks-Rick Are you running d-jet? |
JamesM |
Apr 4 2023, 10:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Anyone have any Pros or Cons for a 123 ignition D-jet tune-4-r-v-p unit for 74 2.0 ? Pros, just about everything you could think of. Cons? Its not free. Im not a huge fan of the loose spade connectors for the trigger points but they work. In my 20+ years of messing with d-jet 914s I have found stock distributors to be responsible for a very high percentage of running issues, usually the ones that are difficult to isolate. Having an electronicly controlled replacement for the mechanical advances i one of the best things you can do as far as drivability goes for a 50+ year old car. |
mihai914 |
Apr 4 2023, 11:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 800 Joined: 2-March 05 From: Montreal, QC Member No.: 3,697 Region Association: None |
This thread covers a lot of questions and various engine configurations:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...0group%20%20buy |
gonzo54 |
Apr 4 2023, 02:55 PM
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Orange Crush Group: Members Posts: 234 Joined: 10-May 19 From: Seal Beach, CA Member No.: 23,112 Region Association: Southern California |
Yes, my 914 was "bucking" under acceleration. I replaced the throttle position sensor and cleaned the trigger points several times but the problem remained. Installing the 123 ignition took care of it. That's interesting-I've been fooling with the TPS including a new 914 Rubber board had the trigger points out several times to clean and the bucking problem always comes back. So how much is the 123 ignition and what is the best model for a 2056 with a mild Webcam? Thanks-Rick Are you running d-jet? Yes, Running D-Jet |
jhynesrockmtn |
Apr 4 2023, 03:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 13-June 16 From: spokane wa Member No.: 20,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I've got one in a 70 1.7 running Djet and a converted 6 with a high compression 2.4 six running webers. I bought one for my BB and will install it soon.
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jims914 |
Apr 4 2023, 06:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 11-March 11 From: Tempe,AZ Member No.: 12,816 Region Association: Southwest Region |
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jim_hoyland |
Apr 4 2023, 06:41 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,418 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
The 1-2-3 is a true game changer. I’ve had great results with my 2056 and fewer issues to contend with.
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JamesJ |
Apr 4 2023, 10:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 30-April 20 From: Sunnyvale, CA Member No.: 24,202 Region Association: Northern California |
Yes, my 914 was "bucking" under acceleration. I replaced the throttle position sensor and cleaned the trigger points several times but the problem remained. Installing the 123 ignition took care of it. That's interesting-I've been fooling with the TPS including a new 914 Rubber board had the trigger points out several times to clean and the bucking problem always comes back. So how much is the 123 ignition and what is the best model for a 2056 with a mild Webcam? Thanks-Rick Low speed bucking was a problem I couldn’t get rid of, 123 solved that issue, I think it is associated with vacuum can problems. You need a Bluetooth version for tuning. Agreed. My FI car bucked like a wild bronco until I eliminated everything else as the problem. I had put a 123 in my carbureted car w/Bluetooth and it runs sooooo smooth. One will be going in my FI car. IMO the 123 is underrated. Terrific product and I'll go against the grain and say that it is not overpriced. |
Porschef |
Apr 5 2023, 05:37 AM
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How you doin' Group: Members Posts: 2,175 Joined: 7-September 10 From: LawnGuyland Member No.: 12,152 Region Association: North East States |
I’ll throw in my .02 cause that’s all it’s worth at this point, because it’s just echoing what everyone else has said. I was really on the fence about getting in on the group buy back when they had it, IIRC it was about $500. At the last minute I said F it, I’m gonna go for it. Well it’s been the best $$ I’ve spent on the car as far as improving it’s running (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .
Yes, night and day... It really wasn’t difficult to install and dial in, I’ve got the Bluetooth unit on a 2056 w Ljet. The old buy once, cry once adage definitely applies here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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