Why is it so hard to fill up my tank?, While filling my 75 914 tank the nozzle repeatedly goes off! |
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Why is it so hard to fill up my tank?, While filling my 75 914 tank the nozzle repeatedly goes off! |
914Rookie |
Sep 4 2015, 11:50 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 7-May 04 From: La Verne, CA Member No.: 2,033 |
So here's the problem... while filling up my 75 914 the gas nozzle constantly goes off, as in it trips the release handle like its full. I know it's not full but if I don't fill it at the slowest speed it will constantly trip the nozzle. Anybody else have this issue? Is there a blockage somewhere?
Thanks in advance. Greg |
SirAndy |
Sep 4 2015, 11:56 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,815 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
The inlet for our tanks is not shaped correctly for modern gas nozzles.
The only way to keep the nozzle in there is to press it down with your hand while you're filling up. If you don't hold it down, it will shut off and can even jump out and damage your fender. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Bruce Hinds |
Sep 4 2015, 12:01 PM
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V-8 madness Group: Members Posts: 734 Joined: 27-December 06 From: Port Orchard, WA Member No.: 7,391 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The blockage is in California! The stupid nozzles have to go so far in because of that big black rubber neck thing on the pump handle.
The narrow opening on the later model teeners doesn't make it any easier. If you make a donut to cover the tank opening or just hold the "anti spill" neck back it may work better for you. |
MartyYeoman |
Sep 4 2015, 12:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 19-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 839 Region Association: Northern California |
I position my tank cap under the nozzle flange, this seems to give the compression necessary to allow hands off refueling. Sort of a quirk, but works for me.
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era vulgaris |
Sep 4 2015, 01:03 PM
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J is for Genius Group: Members Posts: 982 Joined: 10-November 13 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 16,629 Region Association: South East States |
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DBCooper |
Sep 4 2015, 01:07 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
If you catch the black nozzle seal on the edge of the tank opening and use that to compress it it will flow normally.
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914itis |
Sep 4 2015, 01:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Mine works fine but stops at about a gallon to fill up.
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914Rookie |
Sep 4 2015, 01:48 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 7-May 04 From: La Verne, CA Member No.: 2,033 |
Thanks for the help. I'll give those suggestions a try and see if I can cut down my refill times. I'm not looking for NASCAR fast but I would like to get away in under 10 minutes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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Dave_Darling |
Sep 4 2015, 02:33 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,048 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Motorcycle shops used to sell hooks that would hold the vapor cone back for filling up motorcycle fuel tanks. A PO of one of my 914s got a piece of 2x4 with a ~2-3" diameter hole drilled through it that served the same purpose.
Our tanks are (relatively) flat and wide, and do not have a long vertical hose going down into them. The current pumps pretty much assume that you have several inches or more of mostly-vertical hose running down into the tank, and ours will make them think the tank is full way too early. --DD |
Chris914n6 |
Sep 4 2015, 04:29 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
When I bought my first 75, the inside was cut out. Then I had difficulties with the plastic on plastic gas cap getting stuck and needing to carry a monkey wrench. An early parts car fixed it permanently.
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stugray |
Sep 4 2015, 04:55 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
The blockage is in California! The stupid nozzles have to go so far in because of that big black rubber neck thing on the pump handle. The narrow opening on the later model teeners doesn't make it any easier. If you make a donut to cover the tank opening or just hold the "anti spill" neck back it may work better for you. The problem with those black retractable "collar things" in CA is that those recover the fumes that the pump is generating. If the recovery system isnt "mostly" sealed when it pulls a vacuum, it will shut off the pump. They are phasing out stage II vapor recovery soon I believe. |
DBCooper |
Sep 4 2015, 05:59 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
The blockage is in California! The stupid nozzles have to go so far in because of that big black rubber neck thing on the pump handle. The narrow opening on the later model teeners doesn't make it any easier. If you make a donut to cover the tank opening or just hold the "anti spill" neck back it may work better for you. The problem with those black retractable "collar things" in CA is that those recover the fumes that the pump is generating. If the recovery system isnt "mostly" sealed when it pulls a vacuum, it will shut off the pump. They are phasing out stage II vapor recovery soon I believe. Huh. Filling my motorcycle tanks I can just compress it with my hands, which seems to disable it, then fill right to the top. I do pretty much the same thing when I hook one edge of the seal on the lip of the 914 tank, push to compress it, then fill pretty much to the top. In both cases the nozzle and filler neck top are open to the air, so apparently no vacuum seal? I don't know how the system works, but that seems to defeat it. I'm polluting like crazy though, aren't I? Maybe I shouldn't have said that out loud. |
toolguy |
Sep 4 2015, 06:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,273 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
I made a round PVC ring about 1 inch tall and used it under the nozzel when filling. . worked fine after that. . otherwise hold the rubber seal up with two fingers
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Montreal914 |
Sep 4 2015, 10:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,675 Joined: 8-August 10 From: Claremont, CA Member No.: 12,023 Region Association: Southern California |
Never had any issues with my 73 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
Is this more specific to the 74 and later plastic cap/filler on the gas tank? |
smj |
Sep 5 2015, 01:14 AM
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"Dude, Steve from Berkeley." Group: Members Posts: 591 Joined: 28-August 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 4,691 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Montreal914) Is this more specific to the 74 and later plastic cap/filler on the gas tank? Don't recall any plastic in my '74 filler, but it's only #232 for that MY. Saying this will probably jinx me at the next fill up, but I don't generally have any problem with mine. (Which is perhaps more of a sign that I need to take a road trip and stop going to the same stations all the time... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)) |
Cuda911 |
Sep 5 2015, 01:31 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,489 Joined: 20-May 14 From: Oceanside (N. San Diego County), CA Member No.: 17,376 Region Association: Southern California |
No problems at all filling up my '73 or '74.
I have to hold the rubber vapor recovery thingy back with my left hand while filling up my motorcycle. And, to fill up my 996 without it shutting off over and over like OP's issue, I have to put the nozzle in with the pump turned upside down (handle facing towards the car). |
EdwardBlume |
Sep 5 2015, 07:17 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California |
Modern pumps are for modern cars.... use good gas and take your time.
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Hank914 |
Sep 5 2015, 08:57 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 389 Joined: 7-April 14 From: CA and OR Member No.: 17,215 Region Association: None |
I made a round PVC ring about 1 inch tall and used it under the nozzel when filling. . worked fine after that. . otherwise hold the rubber seal up with two fingers I like the PVC ring better than the block of wood. But old 2x4 wood is kinda ghetto/redneck, so that appeals to me also. You should think about making some PVC rings up and selling them. Holding the gas pump is getting old, and I'd pay somebody to solve my problem. |
jim_hoyland |
Sep 5 2015, 04:24 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,418 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California |
Would one of those ABS plumbing parts at Home Depot do the trick ?
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Dave_Darling |
Sep 5 2015, 05:03 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,048 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Probably. For a while, at least. Not sure how ABS holds up to gasoline fumes, so you might keep an eye on it. (Try to squish it every time before you use it; if it cracks then don't use it?)
--DD |
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