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TheCabinetmaker
post Jan 23 2004, 09:39 AM
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Doing a top end on a 1.7L. New c/p's. New heads.
The p/c assemblies seem to be quite dirty. Should I take them apart and clean and relube evetything? what should I clean them with. I read about weighing the pistons. Should I check the ring gap, or assume(I hate that word) the were checked when assembled.

This ain't my first time, but it has been a "few" years.

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Mark Henry
post Jan 24 2004, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(Matt Romanowski @ Jan 24 2004, 01:17 PM)
Mark,

This guys has done every engine known to man. One time he said something about Merlin (sp?) engines. I replied, "They make nice boat stuff." He chuckled. He was talking about about WWII aircraft engines.

Maybe I communicated wrong. The crank must be dynamincally balanced (but does not get weights put on it like a V8 crank would). The pistons, rods, and pins all have to be balanced (to each other). So yes, everything gets balanced, but not like in a V engine.

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Balancing a VW or a Porsche or a V8 what’s the diff???
If a customer pays for a balance job he gets a lower quality job because it's a VW or a four??

The rotating mass of any engine needs to be balanced, the stock balance on a VW or a V8 is OK for a stocker, but any hipo or high-end engine build will benefit from being balanced.
The VW engine is not a naturally balanced engine, in hipo form the balance is critical. The engine has only 3 main (not counting #4) journals to hold 4 rod journals, this is why all flat four cranks are forged. Porsche knew this was a problem that’s why the six has 7 mains (8 total) between the rods. Yes, a V8 has two rods between 2 mains but they share 1 rod journal, so that mains are closer to each other. If your talking counterweights, well any of the stroker (and most T1 stock stroke) T1 and T4 hipo engines I build will have counterweights.

I think you are confusing the fact that V8 crankshafts had many problems when they were first being designed and that counterweights were employed to elimanate one set of design problems. This has little to do with the dynamic balance, as a matter of fact if you put a VW and a V8 crank back to back on a balancer, the factory balance would be about the same on both cranks.

BTW That's a Rolls Royce Merlin engine used in Spitfires, Hurricanes, Mosquitoes and Lancaster's.
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vsg914   Piston and cylinder assembly   Jan 23 2004, 09:39 AM
Mark Henry   If your talking new P/C's you must clean them,...   Jan 23 2004, 10:21 AM
vsg914   Mark, Yes, they are new p/c sets. What should the...   Jan 23 2004, 10:31 AM
914ghost   Why would new p/c's be dirty I wonder? If they...   Jan 23 2004, 11:33 AM
Matt Romanowski   You almost always remove weight under the crown. S...   Jan 24 2004, 11:00 AM
vsg914   Ok, we're going to clean everything with solve...   Jan 24 2004, 01:41 PM
Mark Henry   Swapping pins, the wrist pin boss and under the cr...   Jan 24 2004, 02:17 PM
Matt Romanowski   Mark, This guys has done every engine known to ma...   Jan 24 2004, 03:17 PM
0396   I built a 3.4 and my friend balance the wrist pins...   Jan 24 2004, 03:51 PM
vsg914   Stock 1.7-top end only-I'll be ok with 3 grams...   Jan 24 2004, 04:01 PM
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