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> Pin holes in the head sealing surface..., Can I run as-is, or should they be welded up?
jhadler
post May 15 2009, 11:21 AM
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Hey all,

The motor is going back together, and upon close inspection of the heads, there are some small pinholes along the sealing surface of the head. I'd like to drop the head gasket and lap the cylinder to the head, but will these holes be a problem?

Based on the measurements, the pinholes will be 0.016" outside of the ID of the jug, and as such, covered by the jug. But is that enough? Can I run this as-is? Lap the jugs to the heads, and run sans gasket? Should I run I gasket? Or should I have the holes welded up and re-flycut the heads?

There's all of about 40 minutes run time on these heads right now.

Thoughts? Experience?

Thanks!
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Pin Holes....the most reliable, and cost effictive way to solve your problem is to "fly cut " the head sealing to ( cylinder) surface...until you get a flat pinholess sealing surface....then...you can install the "stock" cylinder to head sealing ring,after a light lapping of the cylinder to be used......AND.....to really do this right consider duplicating this work to the other cylinder head....so everything is matched up..........THEN.....you can use cylinder barrell shimms of equal thickness under ALL the cylinders. consider this also ...the stock head seals will "CRUSH'' ,compress, when the head is torqued down....measure the before ...and after....crush....torquing.(gotta torque and remove and remove, measure and reinstall and retorque the heads.).....now the measurement of the head sealing ring will show how much LOSS in deck clearance occurs.(due to being crushed)......(you already installed a quesstomated,(measured) number of Barrell shimms.....and with the clay....you stragetically....previously...placed on the combustion chamber and piston tops.....at the smallest area of "squish"...you can now accurately measure the P/H...piston to head clearance.(deck-height).....My technigues over 35 years has been to keep everything in balance. and use the best parts available. piston to head clearance....bore diamenter and deck height "estimates" are just a wild ass quess....UNLESS....your engine builder has experience with the EXACT piston(make, design and weight)...and the connicting rods to be used.....Gotta consider the strech of everything at temp.and rpms to be used...Therefore consider using at LEAST .050ths inch as a minimum p/head clearance..the pistom material does matter and you did not say anything about them..a very minor loss in compression,by using a SAFE piston to head clearance is far far more cost effective for a street car/autocross...than the results of a LACK of Piston to head clearance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)
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jhadler   Pin holes in the head sealing surface...   May 15 2009, 11:21 AM
type47   Are the literally holes all the way through or jus...   May 15 2009, 12:11 PM
yeahmag   You need to fix that. It's the sealing surface...   May 15 2009, 12:19 PM
HAM Inc   Someone welded the ex stud boss that runs under th...   May 15 2009, 01:05 PM
jhadler   Someone welded the ex stud boss that runs under t...   May 15 2009, 01:28 PM
yeahmag   Would running a small (thin) copper sealing ring h...   May 15 2009, 01:08 PM
HAM Inc   No gasket. You can lap it, but I wouldn't...   May 15 2009, 02:08 PM
jhadler   No gasket. Okay. That was what I was hoping to ...   May 15 2009, 02:18 PM
Mark Henry   Len gave you the answer...no gasket. No gasket....   Jun 30 2009, 07:25 PM
HAM Inc   If all of the work is otherwise good you'll pr...   May 15 2009, 02:30 PM
jhadler   If all of the work is otherwise good you'll p...   May 15 2009, 02:39 PM
Cap'n Krusty   WTF is this obsession with JB Weld? NO, it won...   May 15 2009, 04:30 PM
jhadler   Easy Cap'n... My JBWeld comment was in jest......   May 15 2009, 09:50 PM
jhadler   I spoke with the fellow who did the heads. He reco...   May 20 2009, 03:51 PM
jhadler   :bump: Everything's going together now, but ...   Jun 30 2009, 05:57 PM
yeahmag   Gaskets on the barrel side are for adjusting CR. Y...   Jun 30 2009, 07:07 PM
Vacca Rabite   Just to be sure you are clear on this. The rings ...   Jul 1 2009, 06:12 AM
jhadler   I'm talking about head gaskets, not the barrel...   Jul 1 2009, 10:16 AM
ME733   Pin Holes....the most reliable, and cost effictive...   Jul 1 2009, 12:24 PM
Jake Raby   No gaskets.. Adding another expansion factor to th...   Jul 1 2009, 12:32 PM
jhadler   Thanks Jake. Yeah, you're right, it's a bi...   Jul 1 2009, 03:28 PM
jhadler   FYI, the measurements that I have right now are as...   Jul 1 2009, 03:37 PM
Jake Raby   Josh, I haven't forgotten about you but I don...   Jul 1 2009, 03:51 PM
jhadler   Josh, I haven't forgotten about you but I don...   Jul 1 2009, 04:52 PM
HAM Inc   This head had a pin hole in the same area. Money...   Jul 1 2009, 05:14 PM
HAM Inc   BTW, this head landed on my bench in the past mont...   Jul 1 2009, 05:16 PM
Jake Raby   BTW, this head landed on my bench in the past mon...   Jul 1 2009, 05:45 PM
jhadler   Well, since the motor is coming out and the heads ...   Aug 27 2009, 03:39 PM
brant   Josh, please update me obviously its not a good ...   Aug 27 2009, 05:02 PM
jhadler   Josh, please update me obviously its not a good...   Aug 27 2009, 06:05 PM
gothspeed   If it is a 2.0 head .... replace both of them with...   Aug 27 2009, 05:46 PM
jhadler   If it is a 2.0 head .... replace both of them wit...   Aug 27 2009, 06:03 PM
brant   How did you decide ? detonation? brant   Aug 27 2009, 11:10 PM


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