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993inNC |
Aug 25 2009, 04:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 14-August 09 From: at the beach Member No.: 10,676 Region Association: South East States |
........little to no rust car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
Thought you guys might enjoy this. This is what got by me because I didn't look hard enough and took the PO's word for a car in good shape. Looks like I'll really get my wish to practice my welding skills (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Since I found a 2 relay block under the pass. seat with no relays and a big snipped yellow wire that had been connected to its self instead of running through the relay block.....may end up explaining my electrical issues (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) so off I go to start (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
jt914-6 |
Aug 25 2009, 05:52 PM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
In that glob of wires going to the relay under the pass. seat there is one that is hot with the key on. Can't remember the color. Find it and put some shrink wrap on it and seal it up. The big yellow is the starter solenoid wire. It needs to be as it is. Ripped the seat belt relay out on my '74 six conversion. Also did away with the relay board too.
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993inNC |
Aug 25 2009, 05:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 14-August 09 From: at the beach Member No.: 10,676 Region Association: South East States |
In that glob of wires going to the relay under the pass. seat there is one that is hot with the key on. Can't remember the color. Find it and put some shrink wrap on it and seal it up. The big yellow is the starter solenoid wire. It needs to be as it is. Ripped the seat belt relay out on my '74 six conversion. Also did away with the relay board too. Ah ha! see now this is info I need! That would explain why I found a relay wire tied in the engine bay that I couldn't explain until I pulled the fuse and had no starter. So they bypassed the relay under the seat (probably 'cuase it was getting wet!) and routed the starter wire to a safer location.........very good thank you for that! Now what is the big hot one for (who's color you don't recall)? |
r_towle |
Aug 25 2009, 06:13 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,624 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
In that glob of wires going to the relay under the pass. seat there is one that is hot with the key on. Can't remember the color. Find it and put some shrink wrap on it and seal it up. The big yellow is the starter solenoid wire. It needs to be as it is. Ripped the seat belt relay out on my '74 six conversion. Also did away with the relay board too. Ah ha! see now this is info I need! That would explain why I found a relay wire tied in the engine bay that I couldn't explain until I pulled the fuse and had no starter. So they bypassed the relay under the seat (probably 'cuase it was getting wet!) and routed the starter wire to a safer location.........very good thank you for that! Now what is the big hot one for (who's color you don't recall)? No, that is not what you found. First, the wiring under the passenger seat goes to what is called a "logic circuit" and it was never a relay. It was a one year only safety feature on these cars. It was activated by the pressure switches in the seats.. Seat belt interlock also. It activated a light on the dash, and also disabled the starter. It did get wet and corroded. The only thing you need to do is remove the two yellow wires from the logic circuit and crimp them together, with waterproof heat shrink tubing. That is a hot starter wire that has 12 VDC only when the key is in the start position. Any relay you found in the engine bay, or under the car near the starter is a "fix" called a hot start relay. It was an old ford starter relay monkey rigged to provide more power to the starter when the car gets hot and the electrical connections get weaker. Its not really a fix...its a masking bandaid. Fix the wiring and ground correctly and remove the hot start relay, everything will be fine...no need to add one more piece of wiring that is not stock and harded to troubleshoot. BTW....you wont find alot of mercy here for your rust...that car looks easy to fix... Go find a thread titled "digging into hell" That is a major rebuild... Im from the Northeast...we love salt up here....so our car rust out ALOT... Just take it in stride and dream of the day you are done and driving. Rich |
993inNC |
Aug 25 2009, 06:40 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 14-August 09 From: at the beach Member No.: 10,676 Region Association: South East States |
In that glob of wires going to the relay under the pass. seat there is one that is hot with the key on. Can't remember the color. Find it and put some shrink wrap on it and seal it up. The big yellow is the starter solenoid wire. It needs to be as it is. Ripped the seat belt relay out on my '74 six conversion. Also did away with the relay board too. Ah ha! see now this is info I need! That would explain why I found a relay wire tied in the engine bay that I couldn't explain until I pulled the fuse and had no starter. So they bypassed the relay under the seat (probably 'cuase it was getting wet!) and routed the starter wire to a safer location.........very good thank you for that! Now what is the big hot one for (who's color you don't recall)? No, that is not what you found. First, the wiring under the passenger seat goes to what is called a "logic circuit" and it was never a relay. It was a one year only safety feature on these cars. It was activated by the pressure switches in the seats.. Seat belt interlock also. It activated a light on the dash, and also disabled the starter. It did get wet and corroded. The only thing you need to do is remove the two yellow wires from the logic circuit and crimp them together, with waterproof heat shrink tubing. That is a hot starter wire that has 12 VDC only when the key is in the start position. Any relay you found in the engine bay, or under the car near the starter is a "fix" called a hot start relay. It was an old ford starter relay monkey rigged to provide more power to the starter when the car gets hot and the electrical connections get weaker. Its not really a fix...its a masking bandaid. Fix the wiring and ground correctly and remove the hot start relay, everything will be fine...no need to add one more piece of wiring that is not stock and harded to troubleshoot. BTW....you wont find alot of mercy here for your rust...that car looks easy to fix... Go find a thread titled "digging into hell" That is a major rebuild... Im from the Northeast...we love salt up here....so our car rust out ALOT... Just take it in stride and dream of the day you are done and driving. Rich So you mean the wires in Phoenix's post (the ones wrapped in electric tape) were all for a disable feature and never had relays plugged into the block? I don't have that one in his pic that is off by itself. And I looked at veltror's post.............holy crap! I'll stop whining now, that s.o.b. would have been crushed if mine! He could buy a nice 993 for what he's going to have in just body repair (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
r_towle |
Aug 25 2009, 06:50 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,624 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
In that glob of wires going to the relay under the pass. seat there is one that is hot with the key on. Can't remember the color. Find it and put some shrink wrap on it and seal it up. The big yellow is the starter solenoid wire. It needs to be as it is. Ripped the seat belt relay out on my '74 six conversion. Also did away with the relay board too. Ah ha! see now this is info I need! That would explain why I found a relay wire tied in the engine bay that I couldn't explain until I pulled the fuse and had no starter. So they bypassed the relay under the seat (probably 'cuase it was getting wet!) and routed the starter wire to a safer location.........very good thank you for that! Now what is the big hot one for (who's color you don't recall)? No, that is not what you found. First, the wiring under the passenger seat goes to what is called a "logic circuit" and it was never a relay. It was a one year only safety feature on these cars. It was activated by the pressure switches in the seats.. Seat belt interlock also. It activated a light on the dash, and also disabled the starter. It did get wet and corroded. The only thing you need to do is remove the two yellow wires from the logic circuit and crimp them together, with waterproof heat shrink tubing. That is a hot starter wire that has 12 VDC only when the key is in the start position. Any relay you found in the engine bay, or under the car near the starter is a "fix" called a hot start relay. It was an old ford starter relay monkey rigged to provide more power to the starter when the car gets hot and the electrical connections get weaker. Its not really a fix...its a masking bandaid. Fix the wiring and ground correctly and remove the hot start relay, everything will be fine...no need to add one more piece of wiring that is not stock and harded to troubleshoot. BTW....you wont find alot of mercy here for your rust...that car looks easy to fix... Go find a thread titled "digging into hell" That is a major rebuild... Im from the Northeast...we love salt up here....so our car rust out ALOT... Just take it in stride and dream of the day you are done and driving. Rich So you mean the wires in Phoenix's post (the ones wrapped in electric tape) were all for a disable feature and never had relays plugged into the block? I don't have that one in his pic that is off by itself. And I looked at veltror's post.............holy crap! I'll stop whining now, that s.o.b. would have been crushed if mine! He could buy a nice 993 for what he's going to have in just body repair (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) The wiring is not for a relay...its not a relay. Call it that if you want...but its a logic circuit not wired like a relay... I did a full reverse drawing of how it works...its on here somewhere... Yes, the block can be left just like that...with the Yellow wire tied toegether...simple. As far as rust....its all perspective. You will get it... Another thread to look at is called "heaven for the hell hole" That shoes each individual part that is available for our cars.... Not so bad if you look at all the parts you can get if you need them. Floors can be purchase in fron and rear sections or quarters.. They can also be purchased as full halves, front to back. Doing the floors is really not that bad...a day or two. If you are going to go all the way...while you are waiting for your car to come back, build a rotisierre for the car...its good practice and its one of the coolest ways to fix these cars. Rich Attached image(s) |
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