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Higher Ethanol (15%) BAD News for Pre-97 cars, Sign the Petition |
RickS |
Feb 6 2011, 10:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 17-April 06 From: 'False City', WA Member No.: 5,880 Region Association: None |
A cross post from the land of the penguins. Read the top and find the petition link at the bottom of the first page of the thread. Scary stuff - Suby converterers might be in a good place.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911...s-91-newer.html Full text of that post: QUOTE Older engines (read "ours") may have serious problems. "May", could read "likely", but since I am not an expert. Read on and chime in on what we can do if needed: Excerpted from the New York Times January 21, 2011: WASHINGTON — The Environmental Protection Agency said on Friday that cars and light trucks from the 2001 model year onward can safely use a blend of 15 percent ethanol mixed with gasoline, up from the 10 percent standard now in effect in much of the country. The decision expands the pool of vehicles that could use such a fuel to about 62 percent of the total on the roads. But the practical impact of the announcement on the fuel blend, known as E15, was not clear. An announcement in October that newer cars, from the 2007 model year and later, could use the blend has so far had little impact on retailers or drivers. A new fuel requires multiple approvals from many agencies. And retailers are typically not set up to offer an additional grade of gasoline at their pumps: if they wanted to sell E15, they would have to stop selling something else. The ethanol industry is facing a problem selling its product because overall gasoline sales are down even while ethanol production is up. In addition, while many cars have been manufactured that can run on an 85 percent ethanol blend, known as E85, very few gasoline retailers outside the Midwest actually sell the fuel. Auto makers had expressed concern that the E15 blend could harm cars’ seals, pumps and other fuel system components. But on Friday, Lisa P. Jackson, the E.P.A. administrator, said the agency’s testing had found otherwise. “Recently completed testing and data analysis show that E15 does not harm emissions control equipment in newer cars and light trucks,” she said in a statement. “Wherever sound science and the law support steps to allow more home-grown fuels in America’s vehicles, this administration takes those steps.” The ethanol industry cheered the announcement. Growth Energy, a trade group that had petitioned the E.P.A. in 2009 to raise the standard blend to 15 percent ethanol from 10 percent, said that if accomplished, the change “could help create as many as 136,000 new jobs in the United States.” Encouraging the use of corn-based ethanol is one of the few federal auto policies that has had a substantial impact on reducing oil imports. The government is still studying the ability of older cars to withstand a 15 percent ethanol blend. The E.P.A. has not said when it expects to announce a ruling on older vehicles. Some gasoline-powered equipment, like marine outboard motors, chain saws and leaf blowers, is never expected to qualify, and E15 in those engines would create safety hazards, the equipment makers say. Full text: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/business...anol&st=cse I understand cars with carbs may have additional difficulties |
Joe Owensby |
Feb 7 2011, 05:39 PM
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JoeO Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 7-January 06 From: Spartanburg, SC Member No.: 5,385 Region Association: South East States |
One very, very important thing that is overlooked in the ethanol deal. That is our limited non-replinishable source of ground water. We are getting close to the point where we will soon be seeing the "bottom of the barrel" on the large aquifiers in the US. At that point, all of a sudden, water to grow food will become very important. Then, when it is too late, we all (including politicians) will be wishing that we had not used any agriculture products to make gasoline replacements. If we are growing corn on land (irrigated or not), it is being used instead of growing food. In other words, the land used to grow the corn could be used to grow crops that are currently irrigated. We can always generate energy using nuclear, etc., but we cannot otherwise make food without water. It is all a sham to redistribute the wealth to the agribusinesses, etc.
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Krieger |
Feb 7 2011, 07:43 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,754 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
One very, very important thing that is overlooked in the ethanol deal. That is our limited non-replinishable source of ground water. We are getting close to the point where we will soon be seeing the "bottom of the barrel" on the large aquifiers in the US. At that point, all of a sudden, water to grow food will become very important. Then, when it is too late, we all (including politicians) will be wishing that we had not used any agriculture products to make gasoline replacements. If we are growing corn on land (irrigated or not), it is being used instead of growing food. In other words, the land used to grow the corn could be used to grow crops that are currently irrigated. We can always generate energy using nuclear, etc., but we cannot otherwise make food without water. It is all a sham to redistribute the wealth to the agribusinesses, etc. JoeO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) Another sickening common sense observation. I recently read about that giant aquifer whatever its called in the midwest and how the farmrs are drilling deeper and deeper each year to get water. Oh, I remebered something from chemistry years ago. When you burn alchohol one of the byproducts is formaldehyde. A know carcinogen. |
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