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> Narrow and Broad band O2 sensors and open vs close
lmcchesney
post Apr 16 2004, 05:15 PM
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Sorry guys, but I've been doing some reading again. Dave, you and I have had some of this discussion before and I would respect your continued thoughts on this setup. The crux of the matter requires understanding of the circuit utilized to turn the lamba analog data into useful information. Well, here goes.
O2 sensors in a distal position provides indirect input for the estimation of the A/F ratio seen by the engine. This information is useful in defining a lean or rich mixture seen by the sensor for the most recent peroid of time. Broad band O2 sensors are capable of producing a wide range of output voltages which can be inturpeted for measuring the ratio. In fact, the output from broad band sensors can be feed into the Electronic Control Unit several times a second. This allows for real time adjustment of the A/F mixture. Thus output from the O2 sensor is recieved as input by the ECU which inturn alters injector time/volume to preprogramed mixture. This feedback/adjustment defines a closed loop system.
Narrow band O2 sensors also read A/F ratios. However, A/F mixtures ranging from 13.7:1 to 14.4:1 results in a change in voltage output from lowest to highest (0.1v to 1.0v).
If you use a analog voltmeter or equalivernt A/F gague, the response rates are such that your readings bounce requiring seat of the pants estimate as to where the mean is.
However, with the use of circuitry involving a IC unit, the voltage output can be lengthed to a series of LED's.
My question, can not a narrow band O2 sensor be utilized to monitor A/F ratios throughout the power band. Noting the results, provide information for enrichment/leaning in the adjustable ranges of D-jet. ie, idle, partial throttle and WOT.
Cannot in dash monitoring with such an A/F circuit be helpful to identify serious alterations in the engine and prevent damage from excessively lean running?
Cannot the useful information from such an A/F monitor be inproved by silmiltaneous monitoring of CHT/oil temp?
I still do not understand the advantages of a broad band O2 sensor when used in a open loop system.
I cannot also see the significant advantage of a heated O2 sensor for monitoring the A/F ratios during that first 3 minutes.
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L. McChesney


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lmcchesney
post Apr 18 2004, 11:53 AM
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Appreciate it all.

David Hunt, do you use a WBO2sensor with the MegaSquirt system? I could not find one identified at the Bowling/Grippo site. What do you think would be a requirment? Since my 96x78 D-jet combo may require conversion to an after market, it would be best to use an WBO2 system compatable with the MegaSquirt.
Dave, how much temp flucuation occurs if the O2 sensor is placed distally where it can monitor all cylinders and proper mixing. I was thinking of placing the bung following the 4 to 1 in my sebring system. I can see temp changes at the header level, but what about the just before the muffler site?
What other WBO2 sensors would be usable? Really, the WBO2 produces a wider range of mV for a wider range of A/F values. Since I am not looking to produce a closed loop system, I'm not married to a specific FI system. If you go the salvage route, cannot you take the system working the WBO2 as well?
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