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> Fuel starvation when maxing out?
David Stowers
post Feb 10 2014, 07:01 AM
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My 914 is running a 1.8 (ish!) 40 Dellortos and recently recorded 111BHP and 121lbft of torque after a carb set up so yesterday I went to have a little thrash about.
A couple of times when the traffic cleared I really kept my foot flat down and pushed to over 100MPH on a slight uphill. It was still pulling strongly for a few seconds then seemed to lose power and splutter slightly. I backed off and it returned to normal. It seemed like the carbs emptied as if the fuel pump couldn't keep up. I had the heater on and the rich oily aroma changed to a hot sharp smell like it suddenly ran lean. It's running the small square facet pump mounted up front near the master cylinder.
Any ideas please
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post Feb 11 2014, 01:03 AM
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Float height is the first thing I'd go to.. If its set too low the float bowls never fill completely and therefore they run out of fuel soon, no matter what pump you have. The pump can aggravate the issue, though.

Find a dyno, you'll learn more in an hour than you will in a year of driving and tuning.

The Facet pumps are horrible and honestly 3.5 PSI is too much for these carbs. They love 2.5 PSI dynamic and anything above 3 static can bypass the needle valves. Having more pressure might help to mask a float height issue a bit, until it runs out of fuel.

I like 10 mm closed and 28mm on the drop with those carbs. Your needle valves may be too small, as well.

Don't forget, going too rich will create just as big of a power loss in the top end as going lean. Nothing kills top end power more than being overly rich. Thats why you need to find a dyno (with AFR) and quantify the condition before applying corrective action.

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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Feb 10 2014, 11:03 PM) *

Float height is the first thing I'd go to.. If its set too low the float bowls never fill completely and therefore they run out of fuel soon, no matter what pump you have. The pump can aggravate the issue, though.

Find a dyno, you'll learn more in an hour than you will in a year of driving and tuning.

The Facet pumps are horrible and honestly 3.5 PSI is too much for these carbs. They love 2.5 PSI dynamic and anything above 3 static can bypass the needle valves. Having more pressure might help to mask a float height issue a bit, until it runs out of fuel.

I like 10 mm closed and 28mm on the drop with those carbs. Your needle valves may be too small, as well.

Don't forget, going too rich will create just as big of a power loss in the top end as going lean. Nothing kills top end power more than being overly rich. Thats why you need to find a dyno (with AFR) and quantify the condition before applying corrective action.


Thanks Jake, it was on a dyno a couple of weeks ago for a basic carb set up so I'll take it back with these ideas and see what they say.
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Thanks Jake, it was on a dyno a couple of weeks ago for a basic carb set up so I'll take it back with these ideas and see what they say.


Have any graphs? Were they plotting AFR?

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David Stowers   Fuel starvation when maxing out?   Feb 10 2014, 07:01 AM
r_towle   how are the carbs configured? Is this a new issue?...   Feb 10 2014, 07:17 AM
David Stowers   Hi Rich What do you mean by configured? Theyre tw...   Feb 10 2014, 07:29 AM
gunny   I sugggest getting a wideband air/fuel gage to mon...   Feb 10 2014, 08:03 AM
David Stowers   Just looked up the wideband gauges, what's inv...   Feb 10 2014, 08:27 AM
gunny   The Wideband O2 sensor needs to be added to your e...   Feb 10 2014, 08:35 AM
Krieger   Does your distributor have the rev limiting rotor?   Feb 10 2014, 09:39 AM
David Stowers   Does your distributor have the rev limiting rotor...   Feb 10 2014, 11:42 AM
David Stowers   What model of fuel pump are others running? It see...   Feb 10 2014, 12:07 PM
ThePaintedMan   Facet pumps, while cheap, are typically viewed as ...   Feb 10 2014, 12:41 PM
David Stowers   Facet pumps, while cheap, are typically viewed as...   Feb 10 2014, 12:56 PM
Jake Raby   Float height is the first thing I'd go to.. If...   Feb 11 2014, 01:03 AM
David Stowers   Float height is the first thing I'd go to.. I...   Feb 11 2014, 03:05 AM
Jake Raby   Have any graphs? Were they plotting AFR?   Feb 11 2014, 09:33 AM
David Stowers   Have any graphs? Were they plotting AFR? This ...   Feb 11 2014, 04:04 PM
David Stowers   Ok, it's been a couple of weeks and so far I...   Mar 17 2014, 05:15 PM
McMark   If you set float height, or if they do, make sure ...   Feb 11 2014, 10:44 AM
Jake Raby   Compressing the ball changes it all.. I blow on th...   Feb 11 2014, 10:59 AM
yeahmag   I think I set mine to 5-6mm closed per the CB Perf...   Feb 11 2014, 03:32 PM
David Stowers   Wow! I'm trying to keep up but fear I...   Feb 11 2014, 03:52 PM
Tom   Air to Fuel ratio. Tom   Feb 11 2014, 07:09 PM
brant   What brand of dyno is that? Calibrated? How is th...   Feb 11 2014, 11:44 PM
David Stowers   What brand of dyno is that? Calibrated? How is t...   Feb 12 2014, 05:58 AM
barefoot   Got me thinking about my own Dello conversion (don...   Feb 12 2014, 07:25 AM
ThePaintedMan   Some good comments here from folks with far more e...   Feb 12 2014, 10:28 AM
Intubator   If the problem occurs at a consistent RPM regardle...   Mar 17 2014, 05:25 PM
stugray   I read the title of this thread with the sun on my...   Mar 17 2014, 06:22 PM
Intubator   I read the title of this thread with the sun on m...   Mar 17 2014, 06:40 PM
David Stowers   I read the title of this thread with the sun on m...   Mar 18 2014, 03:18 AM
ThePaintedMan   Good to hear that you took care of the other unkno...   Mar 18 2014, 07:28 AM
David Stowers   Good to hear that you took care of the other unkn...   Mar 18 2014, 12:45 PM
David Stowers   Oh and one more thing, when hot and I stop in traf...   Mar 19 2014, 04:47 PM
David Stowers   OK, so just incase anyone remembers or cares I was...   Apr 13 2014, 03:08 PM
brant   wow... that plug is a keeper so glad you fixed ...   Apr 13 2014, 03:25 PM


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