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> Fuel gauge still not working, What am I missing?
john77
post Mar 27 2014, 02:24 AM
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With the ignition on the needle on the gauge lifts to E but goes no further despite the tank being full.

I pulled the sender, wired up a new ground and hooked up a new wire from the gauge to the sender and tested the sender manually by turning it upside down and then back. The needle goes from empty to full and back to empty. Just to double check I test the resistance, 0.2 ohms right side up, 89.9 ohms upside down (the range is 0-90 ohms).

So I put the sender back in the tank with the new wiring, switch on the ignition and... the needle rises to E and goes no further.

So I think maybe, somehow, the floats not lifting. So I pull the sender, fill a bucket of water, dip it in, and the needle on the gauge rises and tells me I have half a tank - or less or more depending how much I submerge it. In other words, the damn thing is working.

So I put it back in the tank and nothing, the gauge rises to E and stays!!!

What the hell am I missing here? It works in a bucket of water but move it a foot and put it in my gas tank and nothing.

John
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post Mar 29 2014, 04:48 PM
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Yah, something isn't right with that sender. If it wasn't so new and possibly under warranty, I would say take it apart. Get on the phone with them, maybe they will take all of it back.

Why are you using an aftermarket sender and gas gauge? Does your old combo gauge not work?
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post Mar 29 2014, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(timothy_nd28 @ Mar 29 2014, 03:48 PM) *

Yah, something isn't right with that sender. If it wasn't so new and possibly under warranty, I would say take it apart. Get on the phone with them, maybe they will take all of it back.

Why are you using an aftermarket sender and gas gauge? Does your old combo gauge not work?


It's a 6 conversion with a 2.7RS. The guy that built it swapped out the gas gauge for a 911 oil temp/oil pressure gauge.

The sender and gauge aren't new, the set up just wasn't working when I bought the car. So I could take it apart, I'd just need to find a plate to cover the hole in the tank... And probably increase my skill level...

I'll give the guy a call Monday and if my only option is to replace them I'll consider taking them apart.
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QUOTE(john77 @ Mar 29 2014, 04:08 PM) *

QUOTE(timothy_nd28 @ Mar 29 2014, 03:48 PM) *

Yah, something isn't right with that sender. If it wasn't so new and possibly under warranty, I would say take it apart. Get on the phone with them, maybe they will take all of it back.

Why are you using an aftermarket sender and gas gauge? Does your old combo gauge not work?


It's a 6 conversion with a 2.7RS. The guy that built it swapped out the gas gauge for a 911 oil temp/oil pressure gauge.

The sender and gauge aren't new, the set up just wasn't working when I bought the car. So I could take it apart, I'd just need to find a plate to cover the hole in the tank... And probably increase my skill level...

I'll give the guy a call Monday and if my only option is to replace them I'll consider taking them apart.




Consider purchasing a triple or quad gauge, it would look better IMHO. IF the sender is old, there is a possibility that the float somehow got saturated full of gas. This would explain why it doesn't float in gas, but only floats in denser fluids like water. I'm pretty sure the whole car is ruined now, please pull the engine and send it to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)
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QUOTE(timothy_nd28 @ Mar 29 2014, 04:21 PM) *

QUOTE(john77 @ Mar 29 2014, 04:08 PM) *

QUOTE(timothy_nd28 @ Mar 29 2014, 03:48 PM) *

Yah, something isn't right with that sender. If it wasn't so new and possibly under warranty, I would say take it apart. Get on the phone with them, maybe they will take all of it back.

Why are you using an aftermarket sender and gas gauge? Does your old combo gauge not work?


It's a 6 conversion with a 2.7RS. The guy that built it swapped out the gas gauge for a 911 oil temp/oil pressure gauge.

The sender and gauge aren't new, the set up just wasn't working when I bought the car. So I could take it apart, I'd just need to find a plate to cover the hole in the tank... And probably increase my skill level...

I'll give the guy a call Monday and if my only option is to replace them I'll consider taking them apart.




Consider purchasing a triple or quad gauge, it would look better IMHO. IF the sender is old, there is a possibility that the float somehow got saturated full of gas. This would explain why it doesn't float in gas, but only floats in denser fluids like water. I'm pretty sure the whole car is ruined now, please pull the engine and send it to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)


Haha, I have a guy crating the engine as I type.

There's a chance the sender was sitting in gas for a long time - that sounds like a very plausible explanation. Is that something I could possibly take apart and reseal?

Never knew you could get triple/quad gauges, any idea who makes them? It would certainly look cleaner. The only bitch is that the builder screwed the holder for the new gas gauge straight into the front of an otherwise perfect dash. Well, otherwise apart from the hole they then cut in it to run the wires into the back of the gauge cluster. So if I do clean it up with a triple gauge I get to stare at two screw holes...


Edit: I just used this new thing called google and found a couple of places: North Hollywood Speedometer and New Vintage gauges. Not sure how much $$$$ they are, so f anyone has any other recos feel free to chime.
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john77   Fuel gauge still not working   Mar 27 2014, 02:24 AM
914itis   The gauge is only receiving 12 volts, nothing from...   Mar 27 2014, 05:23 AM
john77   The gauge is only receiving 12 volts, nothing fro...   Mar 27 2014, 07:50 AM
stugray   Are there two wires coming off of the sender unit ...   Mar 27 2014, 09:20 AM
john77   Are there two wires coming off of the sender unit...   Mar 27 2014, 11:30 AM
904svo   Guess a WAG but I supect the grond is missing off ...   Mar 27 2014, 12:42 PM
john77   Guess a WAG but I supect the grond is missing off...   Mar 27 2014, 06:52 PM
timothy_nd28   aftermarket sender? Perhaps the rubber gasket is ...   Mar 27 2014, 06:55 PM
john77   aftermarket sender? Perhaps the rubber gasket is...   Mar 27 2014, 07:25 PM
timothy_nd28   Great, one more pic of the back end of the gauge.   Mar 27 2014, 07:34 PM
john77   Great, one more pic of the back end of the gauge....   Mar 27 2014, 08:31 PM
timothy_nd28   Okay, is this how you have it wired up?   Mar 27 2014, 08:59 PM
john77   Okay, is this how you have it wired up? Yeah, ...   Mar 27 2014, 09:18 PM
timothy_nd28   Remove the sender wire off the gauge. With the ig...   Mar 27 2014, 09:21 PM
john77   Remove the sender wire off the gauge. With the i...   Mar 27 2014, 10:34 PM
timothy_nd28   Gauge   Mar 27 2014, 10:45 PM
john77   Gauge Okay, just got home and tried this out, h...   Mar 28 2014, 12:44 AM
zambezi   sounds like the sender is not grounding properly o...   Mar 27 2014, 11:28 PM
john77   sounds like the sender is not grounding properly ...   Mar 28 2014, 12:53 AM
904svo   Thats not a Porsche gas sender (Porsche has 3 conn...   Mar 28 2014, 07:31 AM
john77   Thats not a Porsche gas sender (Porsche has 3 con...   Mar 28 2014, 08:16 AM
stugray   This should only matter if the fuel level sender...   Mar 28 2014, 07:56 AM
timothy_nd28   That test is almost correct. You jumped out the S...   Mar 28 2014, 09:11 AM
john77   That test is almost correct. You jumped out the ...   Mar 28 2014, 10:17 AM
timothy_nd28   K, now measure the sender unit. Measure the resis...   Mar 28 2014, 10:36 AM
john77   K, now measure the sender unit. Measure the resi...   Mar 28 2014, 04:36 PM
Dave_Darling   And the ground terminal to ground is showing 118....   Mar 28 2014, 05:51 PM
timothy_nd28   All wires off the sender while measuring?   Mar 28 2014, 04:41 PM
john77   All wires off the sender while measuring? Haha,...   Mar 28 2014, 04:46 PM
timothy_nd28   Ok, so all wires are disconnected at the sender an...   Mar 28 2014, 05:19 PM
john77   Between both terminals I get 2.3 ohm. From either...   Mar 28 2014, 05:25 PM
timothy_nd28   K, 3 ohms should reflect an empty tank. Dumb quest...   Mar 28 2014, 05:38 PM
john77   K, 3 ohms should reflect an empty tank. Dumb ques...   Mar 28 2014, 06:24 PM
stugray   I will try again: "I pulled the sender, wire...   Mar 28 2014, 06:05 PM
john77   I will try again: "I pulled the sender, wir...   Mar 28 2014, 07:07 PM
john77   Okay, now that's all the gauge will do. If I ...   Mar 28 2014, 07:30 PM
timothy_nd28   The problem was with the sender unit. You measure...   Mar 28 2014, 07:56 PM
john77   The problem was with the sender unit. You measur...   Mar 28 2014, 09:02 PM
timothy_nd28   Since you have the sender out, go ahead and invert...   Mar 28 2014, 09:24 PM
john77   Since you have the sender out, go ahead and inver...   Mar 28 2014, 10:18 PM
stugray   The website agrees with timothy_nd28 that the send...   Mar 28 2014, 09:45 PM
john77   The website agrees with timothy_nd28 that the sen...   Mar 28 2014, 10:31 PM
timothy_nd28   Yah, something isn't right with that sender. ...   Mar 29 2014, 04:48 PM
john77   Yah, something isn't right with that sender. ...   Mar 29 2014, 05:08 PM
timothy_nd28   Yah, something isn't right with that sender....   Mar 29 2014, 05:21 PM
john77   [quote name='john77' post='2017841' date='Mar 29 ...   Mar 29 2014, 05:48 PM
timothy_nd28   These triple gauges or quad gauges do pop up tim...   Mar 30 2014, 05:43 PM
john77   These triple gauges or quad gauges do pop up ti...   Apr 15 2014, 12:18 AM
bandjoey   I'm no expert here but. You can probably get a...   Mar 29 2014, 05:37 PM
john77   I'm no expert here but. You can probably get ...   Mar 29 2014, 05:50 PM
timothy_nd28   Not compatible. Porsche senders are 0 ohms full a...   Mar 29 2014, 08:20 PM
timothy_nd28   Cool sender, I never seen one like this. It needs ...   Apr 15 2014, 08:36 PM
john77   Cool sender, I never seen one like this. It needs...   Apr 16 2014, 10:45 PM


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