Current Draw for Lights and Accessories at Idle, Measurements taken on my car today |
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Current Draw for Lights and Accessories at Idle, Measurements taken on my car today |
pbanders |
Oct 13 2016, 06:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 939 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Phoenix, AZ Member No.: 805 |
Some of you know I recently converted my car to all LED's, to reduce the parasitic drag on the engine from the alternator at idle, when the lights and other accessories are turned on. I did some measurements with the car off, went out and got it fully warmed up (it's 95 deg. F here today, didn't take that long), then I took a series of measurements of the current supplied to the battery (from alternator B+) and the supply to the car from the battery, using my digital loop ammeter. Did some calculations, and here are the results. Battery was fully charged before staring this test (12.75 V with the engine off), idle steady at 1000 rpm, and battery voltage at idle was 13.7 to 13.8 V. Each accessory was turned on individually and the current for the accessory was calculated by subtracting the total current with the accessory off at idle. Current draw for various combinations of accessories was calculated by adding the accessory currents to the total current with all accessories off at idle. Note the table below is the current supplied to the lights and accessories (as well as the ECU, AAR, Fuel Pump, and ignition), and NOT the current coming from the alternator B+, I'll get to that later. You get the idea, if you have any questions, just ask. I'll explain the abbreviations in the table in a minute...
OK, here are what the abbreviations mean. Rows ------ Lights (lo) = lights on, low beam FA(3) = Fresh air blower, maximum setting Heat = Heater blower Wipers(1) = Wipers on 1st speed setting, flipped up, not dragging on windshield Radio(20) = My radio on volume setting 20, quite loud, unit max is 22W x 4 Columns ---------- w/LED's = my current setup, all LED lights, including headlights and driving lights w/LED's + hi + dl = same as w/LED's column, plus current for LED hi beam and DL's w/Inc (lo) = as if I hadn't done the LED's, w/standard H4 halogen low beams w/Inc (hi) + dl = as if I hadn't done the LED's, w/H4 halogen hi beams + H3 DL's FYI, my old H4 halogen bulbs were 55/55W Hope that makes sense. First thing to note is the current with all the lights and accessories off. This is the basic current requirement for the car to run, supplying the ECU, the AAR heater, the Fuel Pump, and the ignition (I have a Crane XR3000 with one of their hot coils). This current is quite low, only 5.0 A. I also measured the B+ charging current from the alternator under these conditions, it was varying between 5 and 7 V as the voltage regulator was modulating the field current in the alternator, to keep the voltage in the system stable. I might note that I have one of the transistorized Bosch voltage regulators, instead of the electromechanical stock Bosch voltage regulator. As you can see, even when I'm running full LED's and am just on low beam, if I turn on all the accessories, I'm pulling a lot of current at idle, as much as 26 A. However, this is still reasonably OK for the alternator, as it's spinning at 2X idle (2000 rpm) and at 80% duty cycle can put out about this much (I'll post some alternator data to this topic later about it's output at speed). Try the same thing with H4 halogen low beams and you would pull as much as 43 A. According to Porsche, the max output of the alternator is 50 A, but I think Bosch says 55 A. Regardless, 43 A at an alternator speed of 2000 would be insufficient to charge the battery and would run the alternator at 100% duty cycle, not advisable. If you were dumb enough to be running your H4 halogen high beams and H3 fog/driving lights while at idle with everything on, that 59 A draw would cook your alternator in no time! Prior to doing the LED conversion, what I saw was that the idle began to be affected when I just turned on the H4 halogen low beams (55W). As you can see, this corresponds to a current of about 25A, which with my LED's is only approached when I turn everything on, so the reduction of current by going to LED's lets me use my lights and accessories without any noticeable idle drop, for virtually all combos. And, that's what I've seen in actual driving, too. Note that even if you weren't at idle, and you had on all the accessories, if you had standard lighting and H4's, the stock alternator at max output would barely keep ahead of the current draw, and you'd likely be pulling down the battery. Note that all of the currents in the table above are what's being provided to the lights and accessories, as well as the ECU, AAR, and ignition. I also measured the current coming from the alternator (the B+ lead), and as you might expect, it was about 2 to 3 A higher, because it was also charging the battery, so the actual requirements on the alternator are 2 to 3 A more. If your battery is in crummy shape or just flat from not being run, this could go as much as 10 A. Anyway, I've never seen this data before so I wanted to collect it and understand what it means. I think you can see that for reasonable combinations of incandescent lights and accessories, that the stock alternator can be strained to keep up with requirements, and as a result, put a lot of drag on the motor as well as barely keep the battery charged. By going to all LED's you can keep the stock alternator and significantly reduce stress on it, making it last longer and improving the idle at the same time. |
N_Jay |
Oct 14 2016, 08:24 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 283 Joined: 2-March 16 From: Chicago NW Burbs Member No.: 19,720 Region Association: None |
Don't forget that lighter electrical loads also relate to better MPG (like anyone here cares) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I was contemplating a larger alternator, but looking at that chart, I am going to go LEDs. Still would be interested in a more modern alternator with integral VR, if there was one that mounts easily. (No cutting as required with a bigger unit.) |
pbanders |
Oct 14 2016, 01:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 939 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Phoenix, AZ Member No.: 805 |
Don't forget that lighter electrical loads also relate to better MPG (like anyone here cares) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I was contemplating a larger alternator, but looking at that chart, I am going to go LEDs. Still would be interested in a more modern alternator with integral VR, if there was one that mounts easily. (No cutting as required with a bigger unit.) I think the ideal (money no object, that is) solution is to go with LED's and also the 160 A alternator. Even better, if either I or someone else figures it out, add an active idle stabilizer, too. But it's clear the most cost-effective solution is to go LED's. |
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