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> Any harm to vintage engines running unleaded fuels.
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post Sep 9 2022, 02:46 PM
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Back in the day when they took lead out of gas there was a lot of concern that without the cushioning effect the lead had on the valve face there would be bent and broken valves. Since my car fits those criteria and will be driving soon what if any concerns should I be aware of?? Fairly technical but Thanks for any help that might save me a damaged engine. Best to Ya
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From what I have read, all Porsche engines since at least the 60s had hardened seats so will do fine with unleaded gas - at least from what I've been able to find online. I'm sure someone else can verify or refute that. VW-Porsche magazine had an article where they tested the hardness of Type IV valve seats. They might have tested others but it was a long time ago and I was only interested in Type IV at the time. The upshot was that the factory seats were plenty hard to run unleaded without problems so I'm very confident we don't need lead additives in our 4 bangers. Also, if valve seats have been replace on any engine as part of a rebuild since the 70s, they will be hardened seats, so no need to worry about lead additives.

This is a topic where facts get buried under opinion which always attracts me to learn more. Here's what I've gleaned:

Lead was originally added as an octane booster. The lubrication properties were a side benefit. The most important was that a layer of soft lead would build up on the valve seats and cushion the impact of valves as they closed. Some manufacturers took advantage of this by using softer seats. As for other lubrication properties, modern fuels also have them, but with non-lead additives. Finally, what usually gets overlooked is the corrosive properties of lead in an engine. It seems lead may have done more damage to engines than the benefits.

We also shouldn't confuse the effects of lead as a lubricant and its effects as an octane booster. The latter is a whole other topic where anecdote and opinion seems to swamp fact.
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914043   Any harm to vintage engines running unleaded fuels.   Sep 9 2022, 02:46 PM
bbrock   All 914 engines use hardened valve seats so no pro...   Sep 9 2022, 03:06 PM
914043   All 914 engines use hardened valve seats so no pr...   Sep 9 2022, 05:39 PM
wonkipop   All 914 engines use hardened valve seats so no p...   Sep 9 2022, 09:29 PM
StarBear   I don’t know why but my 1.8 seems to run a bit s...   Sep 9 2022, 04:04 PM
930cabman   As I recall lead formerly in pump gas was also a l...   Sep 9 2022, 04:29 PM
bbrock   From what I have read, all Porsche engines since a...   Sep 10 2022, 09:17 AM
bbrock   BTW, I've also read that all aluminum heads us...   Sep 10 2022, 09:22 AM
Superhawk996   BTW, I've also read that all aluminum heads u...   Sep 10 2022, 10:14 AM
wonkipop   BTW, I've also read that all aluminum heads ...   Sep 10 2022, 04:33 PM
914043   Two more thoughts, one I faintly remember sodium f...   Sep 10 2022, 10:42 AM
Superhawk996   Two more thoughts, one I faintly remember sodium ...   Sep 10 2022, 10:49 AM
Mikey914   The greatest harm to the engine is from fire. The ...   Sep 10 2022, 10:44 AM
Mikey914   Our engines don't really benefit from the high...   Sep 10 2022, 11:03 AM
bbrock   Here's a rule of thumb Octane/compression char...   Sep 10 2022, 12:17 PM
Dave_Darling   Here's a rule of thumb Octane/compression cha...   Sep 11 2022, 07:13 PM
second wind   So this is a very interesting topic....would putti...   Sep 10 2022, 05:14 PM
wonkipop   So this is a very interesting topic....would putt...   Sep 10 2022, 05:31 PM
bbrock   So this is a very interesting topic....would put...   Sep 10 2022, 06:14 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='second wind' post='3028558' date='S...   Sep 10 2022, 07:14 PM
bbrock   AN engine (euro 1.8) more highly strung (if you c...   Sep 10 2022, 10:16 PM
Van B   As @Superhawk996 described, you can rest assured...   Sep 10 2022, 08:33 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Sep 10 2022, 08:37 PM


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