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r_towle
post Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
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so, I have been thinking (not always a good thing)
If an engine is basically an air pump, and the objective is to make it as close to 100 percent efficient, why is the exhaust valve so much smaller than the intake valve?

Forget emmisions, forget fuel delivery, just want to understand why this is so...it is so on most engines...

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post Aug 15 2005, 11:15 PM
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If you look at typical cam timings, the exhaust valve usually opens well before the piston has even reached BDC on the power stroke. By the time the piston has reached about 80% of the way down the stroke, no more energy is going to be transferred to the crank by the still-expanding mixture, mostly due to geometric reasons (the big end of the rod is now moving as much sideways as down), and for simple thermodynamic reasons. But, as stated, the pressure in the cylinder is still quite high, so opening the exhaust valve early helps to evacuate the cylinder that much faster.

With perfect timing (which, with any fixed valve timing, will only happen over a narrow rev range), you'll actually have a slight vacuum in the cylinder by the time the intake valve opens while the piston is still rising. The inertia of the exhaust gases will draw the pressure down below atmospheric, and will help to draw the incoming charge in through the intake valve. The additional vacuum created by the piston falling will help, as well, though the intake vacuum is still far smaller than the starting pressure of the exhaust gasses just before the exhaust valve opens.

Since the "force" pushing the intake mixture into the cylinder are so much less than the forces expelling the exhaust gasses, and since you have a limited amount of space to use for valves, you bias the valve sizes towards the intake side.

Again, when the timing works perfectly, the inertia of the incoming charge will allow the cylinder to be pressurised slightly ABOVE atmospheric pressure, and you can shut the intake valve at just the right time, before the charge reverses direction and tries to flow back out the intake valve. This is why you can get such big power gains with just the right cam, but only over a narrow powerband. At the very extreme ends of this were engines like the Honda RC115 4-stroke 50cc GP bike engine of 1965, which made as much as 17hp (340hp/liter, or more than a modern F1 engine), but had a powerband so narrow it required a 17-speed gearbox. Riders talked of needing to make 9 gearchanges in a simple chicane.

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r_towle   a technical discussion   Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
michel richard   Cause on the exaust stroke there's a hard pist...   Aug 15 2005, 08:49 PM
r_towle   I thought that there is a vacuum sucking the mixtu...   Aug 15 2005, 09:29 PM
Jake Raby   ......... Because that about 20% of the air fuel m...   Aug 15 2005, 09:38 PM
r_towle   thanx for that reply Jake...as always you get to t...   Aug 15 2005, 09:40 PM
Jake Raby   Rich, The summary I made was very general... With...   Aug 15 2005, 09:43 PM
messix   the exhaust is at very high pressure after ignitio...   Aug 15 2005, 10:06 PM
lapuwali   If you look at typical cam timings, the exhaust va...   Aug 15 2005, 11:15 PM
Brett W   There is no vaccum in the cylinder. Nothing sucks...   Aug 16 2005, 12:22 AM
messix   i guess that vacuum assist power brakes don't ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:30 AM
r_towle   So, taking this knowledge, how can we apply it to ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:24 PM
lapuwali   The cam in the stock engine was chosen more for em...   Aug 16 2005, 12:46 PM
Sammy   Brett nailed it, there really isn't such thing...   Aug 16 2005, 04:30 PM
lapuwali   IMHO, Brett didn't "nail" anything. Both of y...   Aug 16 2005, 05:20 PM
lapuwali   Easy. Explain the technical terms first in layman...   Aug 16 2005, 06:41 PM
r_towle   <...   Aug 18 2005, 01:11 PM
Jaiden   Follow this link it will give you all the calculat...   Aug 18 2005, 01:32 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 02:10 PM
Brando   ...   Aug 18 2005, 06:58 PM
r_towle   On Ljet, You can increase the fuel pressure and ad...   Aug 18 2005, 07:11 PM
Brando   I understand your intentions Rich ... Mine are the...   Aug 18 2005, 07:19 PM
Mueller  
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Brando   With a snap-on ride-along flexible gas analyzer. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:27 PM
r_towle   I agree, ljet leans out in the higher rpm's. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:35 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 07:38 PM
Al Meredith   I have read some on engine basics (no reguard to n...   Aug 18 2005, 08:07 PM
lapuwali   Bondo, you're correct up to a point. A given ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:21 PM
Mueller   ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:28 PM
lapuwali   ...   Aug 18 2005, 09:32 PM
Bleyseng   The other fly in the onintment for this 2.2L is th...   Aug 18 2005, 10:26 PM
Brett W   I don't get it, I mean I understand wanting to...   Aug 19 2005, 12:30 AM
dmenche914   generally engines are most efficient at wide open ...   Aug 19 2005, 02:26 AM
Bleyseng   <...   Aug 19 2005, 07:51 AM
Jake Raby  
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Jake Raby   Double post- OOPS!   Aug 19 2005, 10:27 AM


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