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r_towle
post Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
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so, I have been thinking (not always a good thing)
If an engine is basically an air pump, and the objective is to make it as close to 100 percent efficient, why is the exhaust valve so much smaller than the intake valve?

Forget emmisions, forget fuel delivery, just want to understand why this is so...it is so on most engines...

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post Aug 16 2005, 12:24 PM
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So, taking this knowledge, how can we apply it to analyse the current stock cam profile and how is effects the djet FI system..

Mainly, in a higher HP motor, there is more lift and more duration, and overlap.

I know its all in the combo....

But the question here is what is the true restriction on the cam in a stock FI system, and why.

Without a dyno in my garage, I would like to understand the settings of the FI cam and how they can be changed, and what will happen once these changes are made.

I understand that the MPS is looking at that vaccuum/pressure inside the plenum to determine how much fuel is needed,

With a different sized valve setup, and a different cam profile, it seems that you could maintain a proper Air Fuel ration while increasing the airflow through the system..

The trick is to keep the MPS happy and within range.

Lets say that the MPS is designed to read only a certain set of readings, anything outside that pre-determined set of numbers will make the car run lean or rich.

So if we increase head flow, the car will run lean,,,outside of range of the FI system...

But, if we increase airflow, and increase overlap, we might be able to maintain the same pressure inside the plenum...now the issue would be that the cylinders need more fuel....this could be done with larger injectors and increased fuel rail pressure.

Does this make sense...

I am trying to look at the cam profile, or a change to the cam profile...

Possibly a better flowing head, and or larger valves...

What are the effects, and where can the djet system be taken to...realistically.

Let me give an example, merceded has a 4.8 liter djet driven motor from the 70's....taking four injectors, one could in theory build a 2.4 liter and run it with the proper air fuel mixture.

The readings would be outside of the range of the MPS.
now, can we change the cam/valve size/head flow characteristics to bring the manifold pressure back into range, or is the pressure going to increase or decrease with more air (larger pistons or stroke...)

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r_towle   a technical discussion   Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
michel richard   Cause on the exaust stroke there's a hard pist...   Aug 15 2005, 08:49 PM
r_towle   I thought that there is a vacuum sucking the mixtu...   Aug 15 2005, 09:29 PM
Jake Raby   ......... Because that about 20% of the air fuel m...   Aug 15 2005, 09:38 PM
r_towle   thanx for that reply Jake...as always you get to t...   Aug 15 2005, 09:40 PM
Jake Raby   Rich, The summary I made was very general... With...   Aug 15 2005, 09:43 PM
messix   the exhaust is at very high pressure after ignitio...   Aug 15 2005, 10:06 PM
lapuwali   If you look at typical cam timings, the exhaust va...   Aug 15 2005, 11:15 PM
Brett W   There is no vaccum in the cylinder. Nothing sucks...   Aug 16 2005, 12:22 AM
messix   i guess that vacuum assist power brakes don't ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:30 AM
r_towle   So, taking this knowledge, how can we apply it to ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:24 PM
lapuwali   The cam in the stock engine was chosen more for em...   Aug 16 2005, 12:46 PM
Sammy   Brett nailed it, there really isn't such thing...   Aug 16 2005, 04:30 PM
lapuwali   IMHO, Brett didn't "nail" anything. Both of y...   Aug 16 2005, 05:20 PM
lapuwali   Easy. Explain the technical terms first in layman...   Aug 16 2005, 06:41 PM
r_towle   <...   Aug 18 2005, 01:11 PM
Jaiden   Follow this link it will give you all the calculat...   Aug 18 2005, 01:32 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 02:10 PM
Brando   ...   Aug 18 2005, 06:58 PM
r_towle   On Ljet, You can increase the fuel pressure and ad...   Aug 18 2005, 07:11 PM
Brando   I understand your intentions Rich ... Mine are the...   Aug 18 2005, 07:19 PM
Mueller  
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Brando   With a snap-on ride-along flexible gas analyzer. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:27 PM
r_towle   I agree, ljet leans out in the higher rpm's. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:35 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 07:38 PM
Al Meredith   I have read some on engine basics (no reguard to n...   Aug 18 2005, 08:07 PM
lapuwali   Bondo, you're correct up to a point. A given ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:21 PM
Mueller   ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:28 PM
lapuwali   ...   Aug 18 2005, 09:32 PM
Bleyseng   The other fly in the onintment for this 2.2L is th...   Aug 18 2005, 10:26 PM
Brett W   I don't get it, I mean I understand wanting to...   Aug 19 2005, 12:30 AM
dmenche914   generally engines are most efficient at wide open ...   Aug 19 2005, 02:26 AM
Bleyseng   <...   Aug 19 2005, 07:51 AM
Jake Raby  
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Jake Raby   Double post- OOPS!   Aug 19 2005, 10:27 AM


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