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r_towle
post Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
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so, I have been thinking (not always a good thing)
If an engine is basically an air pump, and the objective is to make it as close to 100 percent efficient, why is the exhaust valve so much smaller than the intake valve?

Forget emmisions, forget fuel delivery, just want to understand why this is so...it is so on most engines...

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post Aug 16 2005, 05:20 PM
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IMHO, Brett didn't "nail" anything. Both of you are just being pedantic.

Yes, airflow will always move from a higher pressure to a lower pressure. Reducing the pressure in the cylinder below the pressure of the air in the atmosphere will induce flow from the outside, through the intake tract, into the cylinder.

In common use, "vacuum" is simply "pressure lower than atmospheric". The fact that pressure pushes rather than vacuum sucking is simply idle semantics, and makes zero difference to the actual operation of the engine. You may as well go around constantly correcting everyone who misuses the terms "torque" or "force" or "work".

Describing things in "layman's terms" is USEFUL, and was exactly what was asked for by the original poster. Indeed, if you can't sufficiently explain something in non-technical terms, either you don't really understand it, or you're an inarticulate Neaderthal (hey, would you like to beat me up on the them "Neaderthal" now?).

Neither one of you have actually added to the conversation. Brett's statement: "The NASCAR boys have done quite a bit of testing to deterimine valve sizes and such. They have been increasing the intake size and skrinking the exhaust until they can run the smallest exhaust valves possible." My response would be: fine, WHY? Things are the way they are because the NASCAR boys say so? What's the theory behind this?
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r_towle   a technical discussion   Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
michel richard   Cause on the exaust stroke there's a hard pist...   Aug 15 2005, 08:49 PM
r_towle   I thought that there is a vacuum sucking the mixtu...   Aug 15 2005, 09:29 PM
Jake Raby   ......... Because that about 20% of the air fuel m...   Aug 15 2005, 09:38 PM
r_towle   thanx for that reply Jake...as always you get to t...   Aug 15 2005, 09:40 PM
Jake Raby   Rich, The summary I made was very general... With...   Aug 15 2005, 09:43 PM
messix   the exhaust is at very high pressure after ignitio...   Aug 15 2005, 10:06 PM
lapuwali   If you look at typical cam timings, the exhaust va...   Aug 15 2005, 11:15 PM
Brett W   There is no vaccum in the cylinder. Nothing sucks...   Aug 16 2005, 12:22 AM
messix   i guess that vacuum assist power brakes don't ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:30 AM
r_towle   So, taking this knowledge, how can we apply it to ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:24 PM
lapuwali   The cam in the stock engine was chosen more for em...   Aug 16 2005, 12:46 PM
Sammy   Brett nailed it, there really isn't such thing...   Aug 16 2005, 04:30 PM
lapuwali   IMHO, Brett didn't "nail" anything. Both of y...   Aug 16 2005, 05:20 PM
lapuwali   Easy. Explain the technical terms first in layman...   Aug 16 2005, 06:41 PM
r_towle   <...   Aug 18 2005, 01:11 PM
Jaiden   Follow this link it will give you all the calculat...   Aug 18 2005, 01:32 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 02:10 PM
Brando   ...   Aug 18 2005, 06:58 PM
r_towle   On Ljet, You can increase the fuel pressure and ad...   Aug 18 2005, 07:11 PM
Brando   I understand your intentions Rich ... Mine are the...   Aug 18 2005, 07:19 PM
Mueller  
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Brando   With a snap-on ride-along flexible gas analyzer. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:27 PM
r_towle   I agree, ljet leans out in the higher rpm's. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:35 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 07:38 PM
Al Meredith   I have read some on engine basics (no reguard to n...   Aug 18 2005, 08:07 PM
lapuwali   Bondo, you're correct up to a point. A given ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:21 PM
Mueller   ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:28 PM
lapuwali   ...   Aug 18 2005, 09:32 PM
Bleyseng   The other fly in the onintment for this 2.2L is th...   Aug 18 2005, 10:26 PM
Brett W   I don't get it, I mean I understand wanting to...   Aug 19 2005, 12:30 AM
dmenche914   generally engines are most efficient at wide open ...   Aug 19 2005, 02:26 AM
Bleyseng   <...   Aug 19 2005, 07:51 AM
Jake Raby  
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Jake Raby   Double post- OOPS!   Aug 19 2005, 10:27 AM


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