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jsteele22
post Oct 4 2005, 03:43 PM
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I've been thinking about what it would take to do a Subaru install
into my 914, and making it as inexpensive (and as home-brew) as
possible. I have a friend who is a machinist with a lot of enthusiasm
for the project, and a nice shop. He's done a couple of adapter plates
before, so I'm confident in that part. What I'm more curious about is
the flywheel. My idea for this is to take the stock Subaru flywheel
and machine it down to a radius of 4-5-ish inches, and then bolt a
stock Porsche (okay, VW) flywheel to it. So the Subaru FW becomes
just an adapter hub. Then, the thickness of the adapter plate is
chosen to get the input shaft to reach the proper position in the
friction plate/pilot bearing.

What do all you hybrid gurus out there think of this ? Am I
overlooking anything glaringly obvious ? (I haven't seen the pieces
in person, just in Haynes & on EBay.) Sure, the assembly will have to
be balanced carefully, but I think we (he) can handle that. The
engine I'm looking at is an EJ25 (165-ish HP) or, more realistically,
an EJ22 (130-ish), so it won't be an axle-snapper like some of you SBC
folks are driving.


Another issue is the engine mount. I've seen pics of Scott's, and
another one (tube steel) that I think Friid had made up, but not the
ultra-secret Renegade design. One idea I had on this is to not use
the stock Suby engine mount points, but instead make the adapter plate
several inches wider than the bell housing. Then each side of the
adapter plate could have an "L" shaped bracket bolted (sideways) onto
it; the bottom of the L would bolt vertically onto the plate at two
points, and the back of the L would point (horizontally) forward to
hang from a cross bar, either in the conventional (lower) position, or
up high across the top of the engine bay. This would take essentially
all of the torque off of the mounting bar bolts, and would leave an
open path for the shift linkage. In practice, I'm sure there would
need to be a little cross-bracing to prevent side-to-side motion, and
also to keep the L from straightening. Again, oh learned ones, what are
your opinions on this setup ? I *think* that suspending an engine
from the adapter plate is essentially what all the Subaru airplane
folks do.


I'm really pretty excited about the idea of putting a Suby in my car.
And it would be even more cool if it turns out to be affordable.

Please let me know what you think....
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post Oct 5 2005, 11:40 AM
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Using the suby trans sounds interesting (I'll search for the thread) but I definitely don't wanna cut into my trunk, and when I replaced my rear wheel bearings, I swore I'd never do it again (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

The 901 transaxle isn't the smoothest thing I've ever shifted, but I don't mind it. As mentioned it's rated at way more HP and Torque than I'll ever throw at it, and I don't have to futz with the shift linkage.

So for now, I think I'll stick w/ the engine adapter approach. But ya never know.
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jsteele22   Subaru Conversion, CSOB style...   Oct 4 2005, 03:43 PM
lapuwali   No comments on the flywheel idea. The Kennedy pri...   Oct 4 2005, 04:08 PM
jsteele22   Interesting... So you're saying that the supp...   Oct 4 2005, 04:21 PM
Mueller   for the flywheel, you could machine out the center...   Oct 4 2005, 04:22 PM
Brian Mifsud   Maching the suby plate down to make it an adapter ...   Oct 4 2005, 04:30 PM
TonyAKAVW   I like the engine mounting idea. The engine mount...   Oct 4 2005, 04:30 PM
WRX914   Your ideas sound interesting... I hope it works o...   Oct 4 2005, 04:43 PM
lapuwali   The mount wouldn't go forward or backward. It...   Oct 4 2005, 04:51 PM
jsteele22   Okay, so at least it sounds like the ideas aren...   Oct 4 2005, 06:01 PM
TonyAKAVW   okay I think I understand now. I was imagining th...   Oct 4 2005, 06:34 PM
TonyAKAVW   Stock flywheel   Oct 4 2005, 11:33 PM
TonyAKAVW   KEP flywheel   Oct 4 2005, 11:33 PM
TonyAKAVW   Looks like the spacing is just under 1.4 inches fr...   Oct 4 2005, 11:35 PM
Mueller   for the swap you could do what was mentioned in an...   Oct 5 2005, 12:17 AM
MattR   Has anyone experienced problems with harmonics by ...   Oct 5 2005, 12:44 AM
fiid   ...   Oct 5 2005, 09:57 AM
914turboford   If it were me I would definitely use the Subaru tr...   Oct 5 2005, 10:23 AM
lapuwali   But to get the transverse setup to work, you had t...   Oct 5 2005, 10:59 AM
jsteele22   Using the suby trans sounds interesting (I'll ...   Oct 5 2005, 11:40 AM
914turboford   I'm not saying he should install a Ford 2.3 tu...   Oct 5 2005, 12:36 PM
lapuwali   <...   Oct 5 2005, 02:13 PM
banksyinoz   <...   Oct 5 2005, 05:00 PM
lapuwali   We're talking transverse engines here, not Sub...   Oct 5 2005, 05:33 PM
banksyinoz   ok with ya now http://www.9...   Oct 5 2005, 05:41 PM
MattR     Oct 6 2005, 10:11 AM
TonyAKAVW   Congrats on the engine acquisition! Sounds li...   Oct 6 2005, 10:21 AM
Matt Monson   Kind of OT, but I just want to put something out t...   Oct 6 2005, 12:43 PM
Mueller     Oct 6 2005, 01:41 PM
Matt Monson   Actually, The 8 and 9 second drag cars that ESX an...   Oct 6 2005, 02:03 PM
jsteele22     Oct 6 2005, 04:14 PM
Matt Monson   Actually, The Forester and the Outback kept the DO...   Oct 6 2005, 04:21 PM
jsteele22   ...   Oct 6 2005, 04:25 PM
TonyAKAVW  
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BMartin914   So are you really going to do this Jeff??? It...   Oct 6 2005, 08:17 PM
jsteele22   Well, I've sent the $$ off for the e...   Oct 7 2005, 10:26 AM
brant   Jeff, do keep the car driveable as long as you can...   Oct 7 2005, 10:44 AM
effutuo101   You should get one of Kevins chop jobs.   Oct 7 2005, 01:04 PM
scott thacher   well i kind of like the adapter to engine mount id...   Oct 7 2005, 02:30 PM
jsteele22   Yeah, I was thinking that after hearing how thin t...   Oct 7 2005, 04:10 PM
lapuwali   <...   Oct 7 2005, 05:19 PM
jsteele22     Oct 7 2005, 06:14 PM
TonyAKAVW   I like the idea Mike, but I see two flaws with it ...   Oct 7 2005, 06:52 PM
lapuwali   ...   Oct 7 2005, 07:31 PM
scott thacher   i was thinking of something like this, the ears ar...   Oct 7 2005, 08:23 PM
effutuo101   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Oct 8 2005, 10:13 AM
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