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The $5,000 Type IV?, What would it look like? |
horizontally-opposed |
Nov 29 2005, 07:06 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,443 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
So I can't (and won't) argue with Jake's policies or pricing. Hell, I helped publicize his acheivements and remain very impressed by them. So let's NOT DEBATE THEM here -- please take that to another thread.
In the meantime, though, I think $5,000 (carbs and ignition included?) seems a far more approachable number for a lot of people. I wouldn't expect to get anything but short-lived junk for $1,300 to $2,600 -- unless I was building it myself. So what are the possibilities at $5,000 to maybe $6,000? What kind of power, what kind of longevity? Could 120 or 130 hp be so hard to get with decent longevity? I ask it more as theory and as a business opportunity/service someone could provide the community with -- someone who is well-known as a good engine builder. The 2.0-liter (based on a 1.7) in my 1973 914 has not left the chassis since at least 1986 -- it ain't got much power, but it was obviously built right. Rather than specific answers, I am hoping to open up a direction of travel for Type IV owners on a real-world budget and (hopefully) a resource to fit that niche. Or am I alone? (running for cover) pete |
Jake Raby |
Nov 29 2005, 08:58 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Remember that the labor guide calls for 22 hours to rebuild a stock TIV engine... That does not include and balance or machine work other than what the Bentley dictates, which isn't much at all... The stock specs for pistons gives 5 grams of variance as an acceptable variance and thats 10 times more than should be allowed...(as an example)
Most shops these days charge a minimum of 55 bucks an hour and thats here in the backwoods- Metropolitan areas can be upwards of 85 bucks/hour and some Porsche shops 100 per hour.... So do just that math on the labor of a STOCK engine with not a single update and see what you get.. Also realize that these manuals have not been updated since 1981 as far as their time tables are concerned, so all the extra wear over the 30 year period is not covered and they are not including any time to paint/powdercoat sheetmetal, or even wash the extra crud off thats accumulated after 30 years..... With that said- I'm done.. This post was about a 5K buck TIV and I sure as hell can't sell you one of those- so why did my name even get dragged into it if my product cost TWICE that much?? You guys can hate me all you want, think I'm expensive as hell if you wish and I really don't give a damn... This bullshit has wasted too much of my time lately and I'm done with it! I posted my standardized engine prices for a 2270 and 2316 with all the specifics and if you want one great- get in line.. If you don't I'll sell you the parts to do it yourself.... If you wanna lay the blade to it and create a Rice/Kraut hybrid then do so. Forget that I exist for a while- Hell maybe Stromberg will come back in hnere and start posting- He'll sell you a damn engine for 5K proudly! I have an engine to build- Bye. |
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