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> 4 lug spacers, Yea, or nay
ChrisReale
post Nov 1 2003, 03:59 PM
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I have room up front to push out my wheels about one inch. Where can I get 4 lug spacers? If I played my cards better, when I got my Panasports I would have had two made with a different backspacing to allow for the more room up front, but I was not wise. Are spacers generally considered ok for this? I know I would have to have longer lug bolts, or have longer studs put in. Anything else?
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post Nov 3 2003, 03:13 PM
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yeah, well, many of us have read all those books too ...

we also have 30 years of empirical experience with the car in question, not generalities.

a bearing capable of supporting an IMSA GTU 914/6 (10 inch or so wheels with racing slicks) on Daytona banking for 24 hrs will take anything we can dish out.  


At no point have I said what will or won't work; only that it requires reflection and a true understanding of both the risks and rewards. The whole crapstorm started because I preached erring on the conservative side. What is wrong with that hard-earned wisdom? People seem to have an exaggerated idea of the rewards and a under-appreciation of the risks of bearing failure on the street (y'know, that place where innocent people walk around and there are trees to hit).

Your "30 years of empirical experience" is crap if it's based on racing alone, as I previously noted. Even the quoted text indicates that the increased bearing loads are experienced in straight-line driving, where street cars spend most of their time. Cornering force reduces those loads. Last I checked, most racing involves a high proportion of cornering loads; not cruising straight. Also consider that those cars get new bearings several times a season, if not every race.

I stand by everything I have said and would ask that people please not get too worked up about my opinions, which are merely based on (1) actual catastrophic bearing failure while traveling at ~80mph, (2) a lifetime of too many short-odds bets that eventually caught up to me more than once, and (3) some real research into the subject of suspension tuning. I might not have direct 914 experience, but that is why EVERYTHING I have said has not defined "less" or "more"; simply that less is more. Just be conservative if you are guessing! Are you (or anyone besides SirAndy) really arguing this point?!?

If the factory used spacers to increase offset (track), then I will submit that is acceptably conclusive evidence. If people have gotten away with doing it themselves, then that bodes well but doesn't prove anything conclusively. The larger the sample, however, the more reliable the information. Given what has been said, I would agree that a one inch spacer might be a reasonable mod. I never said otherwise! Thanks to those who actually provided some data points. Everyone else needs to seriously evaluate their caffeine intake. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif)
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ChrisReale   4 lug spacers   Nov 1 2003, 03:59 PM
Joe Ricard   The farther out you put the wheel the more stress ...   Nov 1 2003, 05:49 PM
!   Spacers or adapters? Longer studs with spacers th...   Nov 1 2003, 07:48 PM
ChrisReale   basically I want to bump my front wheels out .5 in...   Nov 1 2003, 08:27 PM
URY914   I use spacers on my 4-bolt wheels. I have 1/4" in ...   Nov 1 2003, 08:43 PM
SirAndy   do it ... either way, longer lug-nutz or studs pre...   Nov 2 2003, 12:37 AM
Korijo   Spacers Chris, I got 2, 1" 4 X 100 spacers from ...   Nov 2 2003, 01:32 AM
ChrisReale   Grazie for the link Dave :trophy:   Nov 2 2003, 04:17 AM
Brad Roberts   Run the spacers. It will be fine. Turn in changes ...   Nov 2 2003, 04:20 AM
72914S   I have 1/4" spacers in the front, don`t know w...   Nov 2 2003, 06:24 AM
Blake   I'm not pro or anti spacers, but I do believe ...   Nov 2 2003, 12:12 PM
SirAndy     Nov 2 2003, 02:45 PM
ChrisReale   This aint a street car much. :muebaAX:   Nov 2 2003, 03:58 PM
Blake  
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ChrisReale     Nov 2 2003, 06:36 PM
SirAndy     Nov 2 2003, 07:03 PM
Andyrew   Dont drive period, you could kill innocent people....   Nov 2 2003, 07:11 PM
SirAndy     Nov 2 2003, 07:11 PM
Andyrew   Btw, on topic, im going to run spacers in the rear...   Nov 2 2003, 07:12 PM
SirAndy     Nov 2 2003, 07:17 PM
URY914   Blake, That was much more than $.02 worth. Th...   Nov 2 2003, 08:42 PM
Aaron Cox   LOL....
QUO...   Nov 2 2003, 08:51 PM
SirAndy     Nov 2 2003, 09:19 PM
Aaron Cox   i think they evan ran up to 9's on the back...   Nov 2 2003, 09:20 PM
SirAndy     Nov 2 2003, 09:26 PM
Aaron Cox   good to know :)   Nov 2 2003, 09:35 PM
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krk   Alrighty then. Do we have data? You know -- thin...   Nov 3 2003, 12:31 PM
Brad Roberts   Here is how I sell myself on wheel spacers: I own ...   Nov 3 2003, 12:48 PM
SirAndy     Nov 3 2003, 01:15 PM
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vsg914   Quote"on the street where driving at anything over...   Nov 3 2003, 03:06 PM
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Jeroen   Ok, here's some "real world" numbers for ya......   Nov 3 2003, 03:30 PM
onrails   oh no!! :( it appears that a prior owner h...   Nov 3 2003, 03:40 PM
Jeroen   Oh, another thing... the strenght of the rear trai...   Nov 3 2003, 03:40 PM
SirAndy   the attached picture shows the 3 most important tr...   Nov 3 2003, 03:41 PM
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Jeroen   Yeah, well, unlike you, most people who hang out h...   Nov 3 2003, 04:16 PM
onrails   sorry to offend you"wise one" but this "idiot" th...   Nov 3 2003, 04:24 PM
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Brad Roberts   This is all good stuff. The problem I have with A...   Nov 3 2003, 05:16 PM
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onrails   Don't insult me! Anyone that has read the ...   Nov 3 2003, 06:02 PM
SirAndy     Nov 3 2003, 06:07 PM
onrails   it's ok, keep your 10$ ...   Nov 3 2003, 06:08 PM
SirAndy     Nov 3 2003, 06:11 PM
vsg914   No, this is not rocket science. It's fun!...   Nov 3 2003, 06:11 PM
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Jeroen   Man you are chasing your own tail... It's pret...   Nov 3 2003, 06:19 PM
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fiid   Man - I love a good flame war. It's been so l...   Nov 3 2003, 06:32 PM
SirAndy     Nov 3 2003, 06:33 PM
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Blake   Guys, it's been fun, but obviously you are all...   Nov 3 2003, 06:59 PM
Jeroen   Well, I'm very curious how you plan to widen t...   Nov 3 2003, 07:04 PM
vsg914     Nov 3 2003, 07:07 PM
SirAndy     Nov 3 2003, 07:21 PM
vsg914     Nov 3 2003, 07:27 PM
SirAndy     Nov 3 2003, 07:31 PM
vsg914   oh, I thought you were referring to the length of ...   Nov 3 2003, 07:33 PM
Jeroen     Nov 3 2003, 07:55 PM
SirAndy     Nov 3 2003, 08:27 PM
!   Ah geez, I missed ALL the fun.....did we dis an id...   Nov 3 2003, 08:36 PM
Jeroen   He and Alfred should hook up They can e-mail each ...   Nov 3 2003, 08:39 PM
redshift   I like that one song, off Hocus Pocus. M   Nov 3 2003, 08:46 PM
Aaron Cox   hey guys... i think i want to run spacers. :idea:...   Nov 3 2003, 09:04 PM


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