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| Andyrew |
 May 3 2011, 12:26 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait  Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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OK so last weekend was a test on my part for painting and setting up the garage for painting. I learned that I need to either do a LOT more prep in the garage to prevent any dirt from getting in the paint and I also need to work on painting vertically as I had more runs than I was comfortable with. I also need to work on gun setup as I think I had to much paint spraying out of the gun, which contributed to the runs.
Today I sanded the targa top in 180 and layed 3 layers of primer on it. I am going to sand it down to 400 and practice spraying vertically on it this weekend. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304404009.1.jpg) I sanded and sprayed the hood down, but its obvious to me it needs quite a bit of bodywork to be straight. This may take some time. Guide coat went on after. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304404010.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304404010.3.jpg) I opened up my paint that I bought and compared it to the factory phoenix red. Almost an exact match, I stared at it for quite a while before I realized that the Hugger Orange was just a TAD more red. Which I am really happy with as I wanted it to be a tad more red!!! I also realized that I have a LOT of paint to spray this tiny car... The crown vic that I sprayed last weekend took 1/3 a gallon on 3 heavy coats. I am probably going to spray 7-10 coats on this car and still only use 1/3 of a gallon!! And this car should be a breeze compared to the big crown vic. |
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| Andyrew |
May 3 2011, 12:31 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i124.photobucket.com-172-1304404300.1.jpg) Here is a pic of the crown vic 3 days later.
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| Andyrew |
May 3 2011, 01:04 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Woo Hoo! Carpet kit came in! Cant wait to get it installed! Bought a cheap lightweight kit off ebay ($75 shipped after negotiation!). I'll be glueing it in after paint.
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| Andyrew |
May 4 2011, 11:49 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Hey look.
I sprayed some orange! Just as a preface, this was a test run. I had a lot more runs when I sprayed the crown vic last weekend than I wanted. So I went and practiced on the targa top this evening. I went and sanded the top down to 320 and went ahead and sprayed it after degreasing it. I spoke with my paint shop next door to my work and he said that he reduces the single stage only 10% even if it calls for 25% on the sheet. I went ahead and reduced it to about 17.5 as I wanted to actually get some practice laying the coats a little thinner so I could improve my technique. I sprayed the top almost completely vertical. First coat went on with no problem and no runs. Second coat I couldnt see very well and obviously overlapped more than I should have and caused runs. I believe I went to slow in the spraying of the paint as well. Anyways Here are some pics of this gorgeous color! I am really liking this paint from TCPGlobal. Its a bit thin, but it really has a nice shine for 110 bucks a gallon (with reducers and hardners). (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304574564.1.jpg) One coat (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304574564.2.jpg) Two coats (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304574632.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304574564.4.jpg) Shot of the runs I will be sanding this down (I will practice wet sanding and buffing, then i'll sand it down to 400) and respraying it for more practice. I did not prep the garage at all and so there is a bit of dust, but even worse there are a TON of bugs in the paint.... I did NOT have this issue with the Crown Vic. Granted it is night and I sprayed the crown vic around noon. The bugs came in about an hour after spraying, It didnt help that I let the paint dry horizontally... |
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| shoguneagle |
May 5 2011, 12:47 AM
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shoguneagle Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 3-January 03 From: CA, OR, AZ (CAZOR); New Mexico Member No.: 84 Region Association: Northern California |
Andrew,
Great job in painting and preparation. It is nice that you are finally seeing the car completed as you dreamed when you started several years ago. I will definitely come by and see the car if available during June when we are on our way to Oregon. We are going to look at property, not the West Coast meet. We are going to go to the Parts Heaven Parts Swap on I believe the 5th. Getting rid of my extra parts left over from the car build. Keep up the good work. Since you are painting your car, I think I will consider doing mine. Will be talking to you. Again, Great Job. Steve Hurt |
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| Andyrew |
May 6 2011, 09:45 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Steve,
I will not be going to the parts heaven swap meet, unfortunately I have way to much going on this month and next in preparation for my GF's graduation and for a local car show (where I will be "unveiling" the car) I've got a lot of thoughts on the DIY'er paint job. |
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| Andyrew |
May 6 2011, 09:54 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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So.. I liked it so much on Wed that I decided to do it again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I tried to do the setup that was told to me by my paint guy. I sanded down to 220. I then primered it with primer sealer (This was epoxy primer/hardner.. And I reduced it with urethane reducer.. Again I bought the wrong primer...) On a fast reducer. Then 10 mins later I hit it with the first coat. I also only reduced the paint down 10% with medium reducer. I hated it, It was so thick and unworkable. Spray pattern was a lot worse this way as well. I think it layed out very dry. So on the next coats I added more reducer and the last coat I added even more reducer. Here is another thing I noticed. With the light grey primer, I had full coverage in 2 coats. With the grey epoxy primer underneath, I didnt even get full coverage after 4 coats. One thing I did notice is that most of the scratches were hidden. I think I thinned the epoxy primer to much so I didnt have the hide that I really could have had, but regardless. It was certainly a learning curve. Less bugs this time as well, I shut the back door this time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304697293.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304697293.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304697293.3.jpg) |
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| dlo914 |
May 6 2011, 10:29 AM
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Whatchu' lookin' at?!?! Group: Members Posts: 3,432 Joined: 6-September 04 From: San Gabriel, CA Member No.: 2,697 |
Awesome job on painting! I wish i had the patience for painting. :\ Also the shaved targa sail looks very nice, i've been debating on doing that for our car as well to eliminate a bit of chrome from our car. Keep up the good work!
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| Mike Bellis |
May 6 2011, 08:42 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,346 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None 
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Great progress. Keep it up! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)
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| Andyrew |
May 7 2011, 02:19 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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3rd day in a row? Whats wrong with me?
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304756392.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304756393.2.jpg) Practiced thinner applications of the paint. Also used 25% reducer. I did NOT go with the epoxy primer base. I noticed some tiny 'cuping' or little dents in the paint which i would think would be some chemical reaction, say vapors not releasing or so on the trunk. I will NOT be spraying the epoxy down as a base on the body. I am going to go over the primer I have for the chemical reaction reason and because it lays down VERY nice over the base. Great coverage. Engine lid came out nice. I did very little work on this and it shows, couple of dents that I didnt notice it till final sanding (at which I had already told myself I was painting tonight). |
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| arkitect |
May 7 2011, 08:39 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 3-March 10 From: Stockton, CA Member No.: 11,426 Region Association: None |
Great job Andrew! Nice to see some color going on. In the past I've painted both ways over primer and over a sealer. It seamed that when I went over primer I had less issues because I was doing it in the garage too with all the bugs and dust. My biggest help was laying down some water on the concrete floor to keep the dust down and painting before the evening. Even with lights at night its nice to be able to see by natural light as your painting.
Can't wait to see it. Dave |
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| FourBlades |
May 7 2011, 10:41 AM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States
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That is a great looking color. You are getting a lot of good practice in, which seems like the only way to learn to paint. Can't wait to see the car reassembled. John |
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| Spoke |
May 8 2011, 05:04 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 7,085 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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Love the color. My first new car was a 1974 Dodge (Mitsubishi) Colt and I painted it orange and about the same shade as yours.
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| arkitect |
May 8 2011, 08:53 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 3-March 10 From: Stockton, CA Member No.: 11,426 Region Association: None |
Andrew,
Are you painting today? |
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| Andyrew |
May 8 2011, 09:12 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Dad came over and helped me quite a bit yesterday.
We were able to make the majority of the changes to the rear bumper. Cut slots in the top in order to curve the bumper more properly, cut relief slots in the license plate area as well. Spent about 2 hrs trimming the side to match the body somewhat, Still need to add some material (maybe...). I also need to mess with the piece below the flare to match the lines. I think i'll do that some today. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867537.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867537.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867537.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867538.4.jpg) Sanded down the front bumper past 2 layers of paint and started getting it ready for filler. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867538.5.jpg) Sanded the front trunk down and noticed that the area where the crest is was dented pretty bad. Hammered it up, and layed 1/4" of bondo and sanded it down, probably max 1/8" now. Layed some of the epoxy primer down. You can see now why I had such a hard time going over the epoxy with paint, it is SO much darker than the polyester primer. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867538.6.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867539.7.jpg) Also primered the front of the rear spoiler. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1304867539.8.jpg) The front trunk and spoiler will be guide sanded down then primed over with grey primer, then sanded and painted. I have set a DD for paint on the body for NEXT SUNDAY. I have a lot to do in that time, but If its not then, its next month.. And I cant wait that long. |
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| Andyrew |
May 8 2011, 09:23 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(arkitect @ May 8 2011, 07:53 AM)  Andrew, Are you painting today? No, I dont think im going to paint any today. Pretty sure im just going to work on the bumpers and hopefully get those done. Besides its mothers day so i'll be limited on time. |
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| computers4kids |
May 9 2011, 07:51 AM
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Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None |
Andrew, your car is really shaping up. I can't believe the amount of hours you have poured into your car in the recent months...it's really starting to show. Hopefully this cooler spell lasts a bit longer...perfect for painting. We all know, we're one day away from the valley going to "hot as...." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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| Andyrew |
May 9 2011, 12:21 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Planning to shoot this sunday.. Weather shows rain and 70 deg. I have mixed feelings about it.
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| Andyrew |
May 10 2011, 12:14 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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And I got 3 hours in tonight.
Heres a pic from last night. Hood. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008048.1.jpg) Focused on the bumper. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008049.2.jpg) You can barely see the black area that im cutting off. Cutting this off for 1: design and 2. airflow. Thats a serious amount of lift on the rear end at over 100mph... I have plans for an underbody tray, I might do it someday.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008049.3.jpg) The piece cut off. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008049.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008050.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008050.6.jpg) Good old kitty hair. Works really well for these kind of things (I HATE working with fiberglass and resin...). Ground flat with bumper with grinder.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008050.7.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008050.8.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008051.9.jpg) A bit of trimming done. Still a little more to do. Ignore the exhaust tips, they will get straightened later. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1210.photobucket.com-172-1305008051.10.jpg) Filled pinholes and a couple of chips in the fiberglass. Sanded down (arg, I hate sanding..) Thats all for tonight.. This stuff just takes to much time. Bumpers will not be sprayed with the body but I am OK with that. I can spray them any time. Looking for 3 hours tomorrow... Tomorrow im going to start on sanding the body down to the 400 grit I need to paint over. Same on Wed. Thursday I start cleaning the garage for painting on Sunday as I dont have any time to work on anything on Friday and Saturday. |
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