My v8 conversion thread, With pics, progress, questions ect!! Options

[smrz914]

Andyrew,

Tell us how you are mounting the water pump and the alternator, then we can tell you why or why not you can run a stock fuel pump.

[Andyrew]

I dont know how im mounting it. However Scott and Steve have the parts for me to mount it is how im going to mount it.

[thesey914]

Too bad it takes like 20 years to make that kind of texture...

Also known as 'Patina' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[skline]

The engine was in a 84 caprice... no clue why.
Engine number.. ok C5F368754 VO219TJH

I will find out today what those numbers mean and post them for you. The mounts I am sending you mount it off to the side both the alternator and the water pump, it will block where the fuel pump mounts. Trust me, I tried everything to make it not and there is just no way.

[Brett W]

Good luck with your project.

If you have to go with a different crank might step up to a 400 crank and build a 383. Or step down to a 327 crank. I might be able to hook you up with a set of TRW Forged 11.0:1 327 pistons for pennies. Replace the cam with something with a little more hit. Call up Summit and snag a cam with some balls and really scare the neighbors.

With a little time and a little extra money you can really make a sweet motor. Might try and find a set of aluminum heads on ebay or at a local machine shop for cheap too.

Scott, I assume you are aware that the fuel pump you have will be loud as hell? We ran a few of those on race cars and they are noisy. You may have to fab some sort of isolator to cut the noise. When my Holley blue was mounted in the trunk I could hear the pump over then engine at idle.

[Andyrew]

Progress pics from yesterday.
Got the engine completely appart, took out the lifters (that was a serious job... they where in dere good)

Anyways, enough with the talk, heres the action.

[Andyrew]

crank

[Andyrew]

Out of curiosity, is this timing chain stock?

[Andyrew]

Lifter w/o cleaning, Look at the wear, Can I still use these?

[Andyrew]

Mental note for myself, The rip on the left is the back of the engine. the right is the front of the engine.

[Andyrew]

Got scotts parts today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

Funny, the UPS guy comes out and has a clamp in his hand, asks if it goes with our stuff, Dad notices that its a clamp, says maybe, but tells him he can keep it.

Scott, I got everything you listed in the box.
I will list them, and if anything is missing, let me know and I'll call ups. The box was pretty ratty when I got it, but the parts where fine. Im sure the guys moving the box figured it was like 10 lbs, but then lifted it and it was Woops 50...
Lol, Everything looks good though, I'll get some pics.

Thanks Scott!

Andrew

(now Steve... OUT of curiosity, how far are you? I still have to rebuild my engine, so I have a while..)

[Andyrew]

Ok, here a pic of the parts I got from scott. I will get another (amost complete) batch of parts from Steve.

Scott, let me know if there is any major parts missing here, a couple of clamps I dont care about.

Also Scott, did you find out any details about that engine?

Thanks

Andrew

[boxstr]

No the rip is on the front of the engine and the other end is ???
CCLINICOULDHAVEHAD A V8

[skline]

Glad they arrived and it looks like its all there, I asked them at the counter if I should put more tape on it and they said no, it will be fine, the box was nice when it left here, its the box for my subwoofer. Anyway, it looks like all the stuff is there, The engine numbers you gave me match the car you mentioned, it is a 350/4 barrel, with A/C and an automatic transmission out of a full size sedan. So that was a numbers matching car. As for your timing chain, yes, that is a stock double roller and no, I would not reuse the lifters. I would replace them with the cam you buy. If you want a good cam and lifter set without spending a lot on a HP grind and name, pick up a melling Z28 cam and lifters, you could probably get them for about $80.00 and get nice performance out of it. Otherwise, go for the Rod Simpson cam or ask Renegade what they use and run one of those. The idea is to get one that puts the torque in the upper RPM range. The clamps I sent are the ones I used to run the hoses down under the car. If you bend the lip on the one side out, you can go across the hose and screw it right into the floor. I have more of these if you need them. I just grabbed a handful and threw them in there so you could see.

[skline]

Good luck with your project.

If you have to go with a different crank might step up to a 400 crank and build a 383. Or step down to a 327 crank. I might be able to hook you up with a set of TRW Forged 11.0:1 327 pistons for pennies. Replace the cam with something with a little more hit. Call up Summit and snag a cam with some balls and really scare the neighbors.

With a little time and a little extra money you can really make a sweet motor. Might try and find a set of aluminum heads on ebay or at a local machine shop for cheap too.

Scott, I assume you are aware that the fuel pump you have will be loud as hell? We ran a few of those on race cars and they are noisy. You may have to fab some sort of isolator to cut the noise. When my Holley blue was mounted in the trunk I could hear the pump over then engine at idle.

Whatever you do, unless you want to spend lots on a 930 or G50 trans, do not use a 400 crank and build a 383, that would put out way too much torque and you would rip your trans apart the first run. I built a few of those engines and the cheap one I built put out over 450 pounds of torque. The roller one I built made 535 pound of torque with 475 HP. I may build one for mine later after I aquire a transmission that will handle it. That is what the 350 in my garage is for. But that is later on. Aluminum heads would be a plus as they are a lot lighter, but you are trying to do this on a budget, I would stick with a set of 305 heads with the smaller chambers and get larger valves installed or just use the heads you have and get used to the V8 performance first.

As for the fuel pump, I had heard they were a bit loud, I was thinking of using the stock 914 fuel pump mounts is I can find another one and using them, they are about 1.25 inches of solid rubber that I can bolt to the body and then mount the pump to that. Hopefully that will quiet it down a little.

[Brett W]

I know the 383 is a great torque monster. You are righht he would probably splatter the tranny at the drop of a clutch.

AS far as the fuel pump they may help alot but it will still suprise you when you hear it. It literally resonates through the body.

[Andyrew]

My stock pump is pretty loud, and the carb one I had was even louder...

Up in the front trunk it should be better... I have the stock rubber mounts, but there like 1/2 an in.. Hopefully they'll work fine. Anyways...

Do I need a special fuel pump? Or will anything work?

Im watching ebay and there alot on there..

Like this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...7910747475&rd=1

Would that one work?

[Andyrew]

I just droped off the engine and everything off at an engine shop. They'll be hot tanking everything, boring the block, and getting me a new crank, and a master engine kit. Total for this is $620. I'll put it together. Where did I get the money? Well my 4 cylander is going to be gone (probably) monday, and I'll have just enough money to pay for this, and a box of root beer.

Im going to call Comp cams today and see what they recommend me as far as a cam goes.

Andrew

[skline]

Hey Andrew, you can use the fuel pump you used with your carbs before, it should put out about 3 or 4 PSI which is all you need for your car. As for the master rebuild kit, they should let you pick which cam you want, see if they do, then just pick one that puts the torque in the upper RPM range.

[Andyrew]

Scott, I aint usin that fuel pump.... Ok, maybe to get it running, but I dont want to use that thing. From what I've heard it does not work very well. It would be terrible for a v8, but im sure its fine for a 4.. Heck it even says its for a vw on it...

Scott, yes they are letting me pick my cam, but they dont really make a cam that would tailor to my needs... Good fuel economy, low idle, high reving, mid range torque, continues to make power at top end. ect..

The cam that Compcams recomended me was like a race cam. pulls to 7k, max tq at 4.2k, All sounded good, but it looks like a race cam..

Gross Valve Lift 0.519 0.523
Duration At 0.006 Tappet Lift 294 306

Anyways, Scott what are the specs of the cam that you have?

Andrew