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> Jim Kelly's V8 re-conversion
scotty b
post Aug 29 2011, 07:12 PM
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Jim dropped his car off to have me re-do the V8 ( 307 ) install he and Rod did a few years ago. This time around it will be getting the complete Renegade treatment, a new set of Dr. Sheas handi work. Elephant poly bronze bushings, sway bars, 108 c.v.'s. Some BIG ass sway away axles, and a lot of cleaning / detailing. I got started last friday pulling the engine and trans at the last minute before leaving for Matts party. Dr. Evil was going to do a quilie rebuild prior to the party's start. Once we opened up the box, the truth became known. Unfortunaely Jim's intermediate plate was shot. One of the worst Mikes has seen, so Mike took the stack back home to install a good plate, and do the gear swapping. I got to the shop today to find most of the area was tornm to shreds from Irene, so without power or water I couldn't do much other than tear the engine most of the way down. No way to get the flywheel ff until I have power back on so I can' mount it on an engine stand yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I was in such a rush on friday I didn't get any pics of the whole car so you'll just have to deal with what I took today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I must say, this car IMHO has the PERFECT amount of horsepower. Enought to smoke the tires for the redneck in all of us, BUT it is very controlable, and can take off from a dead stop without lighting the rubber up. BOLTS in a straight line and still hangs onto the apex like a 914 should and sounds like a mythological beast in heat. This is the best of both worlds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) I am hooked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Aug 29 2011, 07:27 PM
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Sounds cool, I'll get a close-up look at it in Oct.
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post Aug 29 2011, 07:29 PM
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"I must say, this car IMHO has the PERFECT amount of horsepower. Enought to smoke the tires for the redneck in all of us, BUT it is very controlable, and can take off from a dead stop without lighting the rubber up. BOLTS in a straight line and still hangs onto the apex like a 914 should and sounds like a mythological beast in heat. This is the best of both worlds I am hooked"

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Someone's been selling some houses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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post Aug 29 2011, 07:30 PM
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It can't be very fast - there is hardly any chrome.
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post Aug 29 2011, 07:40 PM
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While trying desperately to hide the fact that you've got the proverbial wheels in my head turning, how much weight does the motor and applicable trans add?
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post Aug 29 2011, 07:48 PM
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Tranz is 75-80lbs. I lighten the tranz a little (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Aug 29 2011, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE(BajaXJ92 @ Aug 29 2011, 05:40 PM) *

While trying desperately to hide the fact that you've got the proverbial wheels in my head turning, how much weight does the motor and applicable trans add?



A STOCK small block is a bit over 500 lbs. Knock a bit off of that for the al intake, headers, and pullies, I would guess this one is closer to 500 even. Stock h.p. on a 307 was around 200. Add a few for the headers, intake, carb aand ignition and this one maybe closing in on 230+ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)


Mark, I could change my mind once I drive a 3.2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 29 2011, 07:59 PM
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Why not just go both ways, Scotty? We all know you do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/gayfight.gif)
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post Aug 29 2011, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Aug 29 2011, 05:59 PM) *

Why not just go both ways, Scotty? We all know you do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/gayfight.gif)


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Ken stuck HIS finger in MY ear unexpectedly and YOU enjoyed watching it. How did I become the switch hitter ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Let's not forget about you jamming your meat grips down Matts shirt either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Aug 30 2011, 06:24 AM
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more than anything, i am looking forward to some good stopping power, oh yeah, and some nice suspension, and yeah, and some nicer steering, oh yeah, and and and ....................... you get the point : )

hopefully all the threaded holes on the front of the engine are ok? there is a heli coil in a few for sure. some might need ezlocks or other repair?

thanks for the pics : )
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post Aug 30 2011, 07:10 AM
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I'm hooked too. That's all I'm going to say.
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post Aug 30 2011, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE(jimkelly @ Aug 30 2011, 08:24 AM) *

more than anything, i am looking forward to some good stopping power, oh yeah, and some nice suspension, and yeah, and some nicer steering, oh yeah, and and and ....................... you get the point : )

hopefully all the threaded holes on the front of the engine are ok? there is a heli coil in a few for sure. some might need ezlocks or other repair?

thanks for the pics : )
jim


Jim,

Out of curiousity, do you have a ballpark figure of how much $ you have tied up in the conversion?
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post Aug 30 2011, 07:52 AM
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it is definitley best to do it right the first time.

i'll be about about $12k into mine after scott is done.

look at this list - not of my car but in general to do a 914 v8.

numbers are a mess and do not include most labor.

$2000 914 roller
$2000 complete sand blast
$2000 metal work
$3000 paint and body
$2000 suspension and brakes parts
$1000 all new weather rubber
$300 front and rear sway bars
$500 fiberglass bumpers
$500 new tires
$500 polished wheels
$3500 complete crate sbc 350
$3000 renegade kit and cooling
$200 elec fuel pump and filter
$300-$600 headers exhaust and mufflers
$290 engman inner long kit
$500-$800 rebuilt trans

$21k+- total cost for narrow body, stock suspension
$26k+- total cost for wide body, 911 front suspension

for wide body add ... $3000 steel flares - or - (about $1500 fiber flares)
$1000 911 front suspension
$200 914 rear drilled for 5 lug
$1000 metal flares (plus install)
$500 5 lug wheels

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+new harnesses - find fabricator
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post Aug 30 2011, 10:10 AM
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in my many years of looking into the sbc conversions (i have a rod simpson kit, uninstalled...), i've read one can shave about 100 lbs. off a stock small block chevy with aluminun intake and heads.

yes, still heavier than the stock motor but, oh the possibilities!

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post Aug 30 2011, 11:44 AM
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Very cool Jim!

After riding in Bobs "Porschev", I will absolutely own a V8 car someday. It was simply fantastic. In fact, in hindsight, I wish I would have waited things out a bit before starting my -6 conversion. I absolutely would have sold my current car to buy the right V8 car.

I dont know what it is about them, but I just love em. I have never had any interest (at all) in any other muscle car/v8's (other than maybe the Pantera) - just the 914 conversions.

Look forward to watching the build! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Aug 30 2011, 02:30 PM
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Just wondering ... and I don't think anyone asked but what about the conversion was done so wrong? you should post up picks of certain aspects of the conversion that are being redone and give reasoning as to why things are being changed....

The cheap sons o bitches wanna know ...
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post Aug 30 2011, 02:31 PM
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Just wondering ... and I don't think anyone asked but what about the conversion was done so wrong? you should post up picks of certain aspects of the conversion that are being redone and give reasoning as to why things are being changed....

The cheap sons o bitches wanna know ...
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post Aug 30 2011, 02:59 PM
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1- the trans was rebuilt by first timers - and as it turns out it has problems - but functioned pretty decently - can't wait to slush thru the gears whent he project is done.

2- the other thing is that we could never get temps under control with stock water pump - thus had to take the thermostat out - and that is not good.

3- because i designed the engine bar without thinking geometry out, we had to make shift linkage twisted in a way that probably impacted operation.

4- i did not want to get a quite 2 into 1 exhaust custom fabbed until i had all else in its proper locations - meaning where renegade likes things.

5- that said - the car is 40 years old - and the brakes, steering, suspension - are 40 years old - i am sure of that. since these above tasks require the engine be pulled - i figured - hell - lets just do it right - and spend a few extra bucks at renegade.

for me - this is the poor mans 1969 camaro rs/ss and the pantera all rolled up into one : ) but it is not everyone;s cup of tea - and i write this with my pinky up high : )

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post Aug 30 2011, 03:43 PM
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Nice Jim... With out any past knowledge on your car i was wondering what apects of the home spun conversion weren't working for you. I am getting to your point with my subaru. I already want to remove the motor and trans and build a new motor tranny mount brace. The stock water pump notion is interesting as i have similar issues with my suby swap. granted my radiator is currently above the motor in the engine bay. not mounted up front. Renegade offer a better pump for your motor that would better suit the front mounted radiator?

And good on you for going in deep
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post Aug 30 2011, 04:42 PM
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Jim's car was cool before getting reworked. I'm excited to see what it can do after. I actually hope you don't make it too pretty. I loved the rough edges.
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