914 Cup Proposed Rules and Classes! now is the, time to make suggestions&modifications! Options

[Demick]

One scoring recommendation:

Since different participants will be on completely different schedules, it might make sense to have the standings based on average points, rather than total points. With total points, the people who have run the most events will be in the lead all season long, even if their score isn't as high. With average points, it should keep the standings more interesting during the season. Everyone will see how they stand no matter if they have run 5 events or 2 events to date.

But I agree that for season final standings, you pick the top 6 events for each person. At that point, whether you average the points or total the points won't matter - the results will be the same.

Demick

[Joseph Mills]

QUOTE (Demick @ Jan 24 2005, 10:31 AM)

I think it is good to get everyones feedback like this, but don't get too caught up in trying to appease everyone.  The bottom line is, there is no possible way to make this a 'fair' competition.   It doesn't matter how complicated or simple the rules are, there will always be cars that have an advantage, and ones that are disadvantaged.  There is no way around that.   The most important thing that everyone realize, is that this is a FUN competition, not a FAIR competition.

Well... I think there is wisdom in what Demick has posted.

It appears that the sliding scale may present at least as many issues as it resolves, so let's at least keep it simple.

As I mentioned earlier, the sliding scale would only work against me, so as far as my participation goes, personally, I have no problem with the rules as they presently stand.

[ottox914]

I'm glad others have added some input on large fields vs small. I didn't want to start a big flap over that, but noted that there were some "modifiers" for the smaller grids, and wondered about the larger ones.

I agree with what others have said- keep it simple. This race within a race will be pretty cool, and will also never be fair to everyone. Unless we become like some clubs and have 1 class for each driver, (or so it seems) so everyone gets a CPT (cheep plastic trophy) at the end of the year, we'll never please everyone.

That being said, I to would go with whatever our "event master" decides regarding grid size and and adjustment factors.

I would also agree w/Demick on the average scoring during the season to keep the points totals more easily compared between drivers, and using the top 4,5,6 (or whatever the event master decides on) events for the end of the season totals.

2 more ?'s for the event master- have my points been changed from 255 to 225 on the semi-official list of entrants, and, can I run 2 cars in 2 different classes for the cup?

I like the idea of 914CUP stickers, or windshield banners.

Great idea, this cup thing. Thanks!

[Jenny]

I'll play. But I'll need someone to class my car for me. And I'll need a running car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

I'm signed up for an AX school next month, so watch out guys!!

Jen

[Dman]

I'm in! Looks like I have some breathing room in improved class at 205 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

[Randal]

What are the points for 23 X 9.5 X 15 slicks?

And F/G rocker panels worth 10 each?

[nebreitling]

QUOTE (ottox914 @ Jan 24 2005, 09:29 AM)

can I run 2 cars in 2 different classes for the cup?

yup. you can. just submit two entries.

thanks paul for tallying things up so people can see where things stand.

other paul: thanks for adding some "custom" points to your rig -- you should definitely be in S-Mod.

demick: thanks for your concern, and for your advice. believe me, i'm going to strive to make this thing as autonomous as possible once it gets off the ground. i will not guarente immediate updates to mid-season rankings, but i can manage weekly or so.

the rules re. field size as they exist on page one will stand. thanks for the concensus.

re. mid season standings based on an average: thought about this. i'd like mid-season scores to show the average of the competitor's 6 best submissions (or their raw average until they get more than 6 submission), as well as other bits of info...

i won't be arranging decals, tshirts, etc., but i like the idea. someone else needs to take charge of this if they want it. talk to sean. i'd be in for a decal!

your benevolent dictator, n

[nebreitling]

QUOTE (Randal @ Jan 24 2005, 10:07 AM)

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What are the points for 23 X 9.5 X 15 slicks?

see link on an earlier page -- i believe that a 9.5 should be about a 235-245, but do double check this...

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And F/G rocker panels worth 10 each?

technically, yeah. sorry -- it's really crude but i wasn't about to set different points for different panels.

Jenny-Dman, awesome!

[Randal]

As it currently sits:

435 points, assuming the default number, i.e., 150 points for slicks.

Super Modified.

Randal

[Joe Ricard]

Guess I better play too I figured 230 points for the yellow car.

[Joseph Mills]

Paul,
The next time you update, can you add 15 points for my non-stock tranny gear, which will give me a total of 300? Thanks.


Nathan,
Thanks for your efforts and level headedness.

[ottox914]

QUOTE (ottox914 @ Jan 24 2005, 09:29 AM)
can I run 2 cars in 2 different classes for the cup?

yup. you can. just submit two entries.


Consider this 2 entries, until such time as the "official" entry forms are ready:

225 pts for car #1 -improved.
490 pts for car #2 -S mod.

List meister, please update.

thank you-

David Parsons, aka "ottox914"

[mike_the_man]

I'm in, assuming I can play. I live in Sasktchewan, Canada, and we have no PCA or SCCA events anywhere near here. The only local group that runs autox is called the Queen City Motorsports Association (QCMA). We use the Western Canada Motorsport Association (WCMA) rules. I'm hoping that this won't be a problem, but let me know.

Looks like I'm in the stock class with +60 points right now, although that may change in the spring with some new tires.

BTW, good work Nathan. This sounds like it will be a load of fun. Is trash talking permited? Cause it's no fun to compete against your friends if there is no trash talking! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[jdogg]

I would say trash talking is REQUIRED, haha! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

[nebreitling]

QUOTE (mike_the_man @ Jan 24 2005, 12:49 PM)

I'm in, assuming I can play. I live in Sasktchewan, Canada, and we have no PCA or SCCA events anywhere near here. The only local group that runs autox is called the Queen City Motorsports Association (QCMA). We use the Western Canada Motorsport Association (WCMA) rules. I'm hoping that this won't be a problem, but let me know.

You're In!

it's international now!!!


and yes, trash talking is a requirement (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/flipa.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) !

[mike_the_man]

Sweet! Despite the fact that I've only driven my teener about 5 times, I'm still pretty sure I'm gonna kick everybody's ass! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Ya never know, it could happen! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[brant]

I won't do enough (maybe none) autox's to play.
but I roughly added my points and end up around 390 or 395...

wow.. thats not too fair considering Joe's cool car (914RS) has a 3.6 with carbon fiber body work..

and I have all metal body work with only a 2.0L

hmmmm....

[nebreitling]

QUOTE (brant @ Jan 24 2005, 03:24 PM)

wow.. thats not too fair considering Joe's cool car (914RS) has a 3.6 with carbon fiber body work..

and it may not be. but 914RS should have at least 40-50 points in body work that you don't have, and at least another 50 points in engine that you don't have.

i'm looking over paul's list of the competitors, and for the cars that i'm familiar with, i think they're ranked pretty fairly. except maybe trekkor's car -- i think it needs more points (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) . and demick needs more points, but that's just cause he drives wicked fast, not because of his car.

so, if you end up AXing this year, just be really, really, really fast. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer3.gif)

[brant]

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jan 24 2005, 05:03 PM)

QUOTE (brant @ Jan 24 2005, 03:24 PM) wow.. thats not too fair considering Joe's cool car (914RS) has a 3.6 with carbon fiber body work.. and it may not be. but 914RS should have at least 40-50 points in body work that you don't have, and at least another 50 points in engine that you don't have. i'm looking over paul's list of the competitors, and for the cars that i'm familiar with, i think they're ranked pretty fairly. except maybe trekkor's car -- i think it needs more points (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) . and demick needs more points, but that's just cause he drives wicked fast, not because of his car. so, if you end up AXing this year, just be really, really, really fast. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer3.gif)

Part of my dilema was those body panels.
I gave myself points for "lightening" because its true that I lightened my doors, bumpers, and rear trunk...

but my panels are still all metal and my fenders are not GT's... (versus carbon fiber and flares)

I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill...

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (brant @ Jan 24 2005, 03:24 PM)

wow.. thats not too fair considering Joe's cool car (914RS) has a 3.6 with carbon fiber body work..

yupp, i'm in the same boat.
like nine14cats fully raceprepped chassis with a warmed up 3.6 ...

as long as the actual points do matter and not just the class you belong too ...
we'll see how this works out.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Andy