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Boxter S beats 911 Carrera |
Gustl |
Jan 23 2005, 04:33 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,618 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
on german TV there was a car magazine today, they tested the current versions from
Porsche Boxster S vs. Mercedes SLK 350 no surprize, the Boxster was the winner then, they drove both cars on the German Formula 1 Circuit "Hockenheimring" the Boxster was about 3 sec faster than the SLK at this point the moderator told, that the lap time was even better than from the 911 Carrera (997) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif) one more proof that mid engine is better (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) not only on twisty roads (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) Attached image(s) |
Aaron Cox |
Jan 23 2005, 04:56 PM
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color you a die hard pinky lifter (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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jd74914 |
Jan 23 2005, 08:25 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,796 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
boxster s = 914/6 Period.
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Hi_Fi_Guy |
Jan 23 2005, 09:26 PM
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Tuetonic terror Group: Members Posts: 375 Joined: 12-August 03 From: Sunny Phoenix, AZ Member No.: 1,019 |
As a Boxster (986) owner and a 914 owner I have no doubt that on the right road or track the Boxster and 914 have an advantage over certain 911s. I have seen plenty of 914s whip up on 911s at the track and I am sure the Boxster is way more than capable. Throw in one or two large straights or a really savy tail-dragger driver and things change in a hurr but under the right conditions the 911 is defeatable.
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Sammy |
Jan 23 2005, 09:41 PM
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Please don't get me wrong, there is nothing "wrong" with a boxster. We were not comparing boxsters to 911s, we were comparing the lap time of a boxster S to the lap time of a new 997 around the ring. I don't want anyone to read more into it than that.
I stated my opinion that based on the track layout of the ring, and the power advantage of the 997, and the refinement of the 997, I seriously doubted the boxster S could lap the ring quicker than the 997. I do remember reading that the cayanne turbo lapped the ring faster than a boxster S, but i wasn't there and so I regard that as heresay. |
RAR |
Jan 23 2005, 11:26 PM
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Cayenne turbo and Boxster S are about the same in 'Ring lap times. Both are excellent. I agree with Sammy, though, it is highly unlikely either will beat the 996 or 997. Yes, I realize the Cayenne is a heavy SUV.
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Pnambic |
Jan 24 2005, 06:50 AM
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Honk if you like obscene gestures! Group: Members Posts: 914 Joined: 9-April 03 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 546 Region Association: South East States |
....a heavy SUV with all wheel drive, adjustable suspension and 450 HP.
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Gustl |
Jan 24 2005, 07:37 AM
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I really wonder if this could be true (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) unfortunately I didn't test 'em in person (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) , but: Cayenne Turbo: 450 PS / about 5,000 lbs / 266 km/h top speed (166,25 mph) Boxster S: 280 PS / about 3,000 lbs / 268 km/h top speed (167,5 mph) I can't believe, that they need about the same time for this circuit - it's about 2,860 miles long anyway, never say never (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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Sammy |
Jan 24 2005, 09:29 AM
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Big ooooops.
I just went back and re-read the beginning of this thread and realized it was talking about the Hockenheimring, like a braindead fool I had the nurburgring stuck in haid. Sorry about that. Now I have to go and edit all I said in the posts cause it isn't applicable no mo'. Now about this hockenheimring, is that the F1 track? (looks like it in the map). If it is as long as it says at the bottom it can't be the F1 track I am dumfounded and know nothing abut it whatsoever. Looks like I need to google it. if it is the F1 track is is closer to 4.2 miles long. |
Gustl |
Jan 24 2005, 11:43 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,618 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
I wonder what sources you looked? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Here's the official \"Hockenheimring\" Homepage (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) in the text within the red part, beside the F1 pic, it says, the track is 4.5 kilometer - that's about 2800 miles (as far as I know, 1 mile = 1.6 km) btw - the above track picture is from this site, too |
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Gustl |
Jan 24 2005, 11:47 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,618 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
now, here is more text in english, from the same source (www.hockenheimring.de)
at the part "The New Circuit" (scroll down) they tell the exact length ... |
Pnambic |
Jan 24 2005, 12:13 PM
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Honk if you like obscene gestures! Group: Members Posts: 914 Joined: 9-April 03 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 546 Region Association: South East States |
I've seen that in Europe, they occasionally interchange the comma with a period for decimal denotation. So 4,574 km may actually mean 4(point)574 kilometers where as in the US, it means 4thousand, 574 kilometers. Sometimes confusing... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)
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Sammy |
Jan 24 2005, 12:17 PM
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Just saw your Post Dan, thanks for the explanation.
I have to admit that I (along with many of my countrymen) am very naive when it comes to the rest of the world, this comma vs. decimal point thing is good example of that. |
Gustl |
Jan 24 2005, 12:38 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,618 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
o.k. - now I'm sure I know what happend (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
first: this problem with "point" and "comma" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) second: your source isn't up-to-date from 1964 to 2002 the circuit was about 4.2 miles then, on demand by the FIA, the circuid got reconstructed from 2003 on the circuit is about 2.8 miles |
horizontally-opposed |
Jan 24 2005, 02:54 PM
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There are at least two configurations. The big track there is over 4 km long, that I believe (and would one day love to experience!!!)
The "club" track is considerably shorter, probably not far off the length of Sears Point when they shortened it a couple of years ago for all that construction. At Hockenheim, they use the "club" configuration for a lot of stuff (and I suppose magazine tests). This setup gives you the front straight (by the grandstands) a right hand turn followed by another right turn fairly quickly (off of the main, F1 track) and then an interesting back section that leads back to more stands and several turns (including an AWESOME lefthand hairpin) before a pair of rights that put you back onto the straight. Wish I remembered how long that was... pete |
horizontally-opposed |
Jan 24 2005, 02:59 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,443 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
Oh, and 986 Boxster Ss lost very little (if anything) to 996s on backroads so long as power didn't come into play too much. Same seems to be true with 987s and 997s. On track, I think the sheer size of bigger tracks would give too much of an advantage to the 911s.
I suspect the 987S will kill 996s in the canyons. Don't know about on track, but I suspect it would be very interesting.... pete |
SirAndy |
Jan 24 2005, 03:05 PM
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wrong! they ALWAYS do that ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) 4,567 km means 4.567 km for you amuricans ... in europe, the decimal point is a decimal comma! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Andy |
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Gustl |
Jan 24 2005, 03:21 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,618 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
thanks Andy, I was wondering when you step in to clarify (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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Jeroen |
Jan 24 2005, 09:42 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
The european dealers got to test the new 997(S) and 987(S) at the Ascari resort in Spain (do a google on that, you'll like it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif))
They could easily overtake an 996 4S (the turbo look 4wd 996) with the 987S on the track |
RAR |
Jan 25 2005, 02:02 AM
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Pete, in my originally post I was agreeing with Sammy, based on the reports in Excellence and others, that the Boxster S is still a bit "less" than the equivalent year "911", be it 996 or 997. That got me to thinking about the latter part of your post; is the newest Boxster S more car than the previous model "911" (996)? Comparisons in future issues? It is interesting that some still have trouble believing the Cayenne does what it does. Entirely understandable though. I mean "it doesn't look like a sports car". One can't help but marvel at it after reading the reports in reliable publications such as yours and others. Hmmm, how about a CGT vs 997 vs Cayenne turbo shootout? |
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