 Car left me stranded for the first time, Now the second time...What gives??? |
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| saigon71 |
 Jul 14 2015, 10:09 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,993 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Placed my first call to AAA for free towing tonight. On my way to Harrisburg, the car cut out on me pretty bad several times. I kept going and it seemed to clear up.
After leaving my destination, it started doing the same thing...only this time, it quit completely. Nothing better than pushing your car off rt 22 by yourself three days after doing a Spartan Race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) When I turn the key, I hear the fuel pump kick in for a few seconds as it should. After sitting for a few minutes, I can get it to start but it will only run for about 15 seconds then dies. I did this several times, but the car won't stay running. The fuel pump is a Bosch two-port and is only a few years old. Ambient temps were about 80 degrees and the engine wasn't even warmed up yet. I hope to dig into it tomorrow...any suggestions on what to check? Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)  |
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| EdwardBlume |
Jul 14 2015, 10:17 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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What a pisser... but at least you are driving it!
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| Hank914 |
Jul 14 2015, 10:46 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 389 Joined: 7-April 14 From: CA and OR Member No.: 17,215 Region Association: None |
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A pisser it is. Well stated. A little known fact: the 914s will periodically assert their dominance over you. Mine did this multiple times the first year (vapor lock, starter, transaxle blowup, clutch cable) with each time a 100+ mile towing hit (yay for AAA Platinum)! I think it is jack stand withdrawals syndrome. Just keep driving it, and pretty soon the teener will grow independent of the jack stands. Like a baby and their blankie. |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jul 14 2015, 11:15 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,463 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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Flooded? Too rich? Failed TS2 or MPS.
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| Ferg |
Jul 14 2015, 11:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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Dizzy points?
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| DavidSweden |
Jul 15 2015, 01:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 479 Joined: 8-June 14 From: Sweden Member No.: 17,452 Region Association: Scandinavia |
QUOTE(Ferg @ Jul 14 2015, 09:18 PM)  Dizzy points? After my recent engine cut out I can recommend doing a compression & leak down test . It would have saved me a couple of weeks fault finding. I was convinced it was the FI it turned out to be a cylinder head problem. |
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| somd914 |
Jul 15 2015, 03:49 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,171 Joined: 21-February 11 From: Southern Maryland Member No.: 12,741 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Check for spark and fuel to begin with. Pertronix by chance? Go from there. If it looks like its too rich, check the CHT and the harness wire all the back to the ECU.
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| Porschef |
Jul 15 2015, 04:07 AM
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How you doin' Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 7-September 10 From: LawnGuyland Member No.: 12,152 Region Association: North East States
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The fact that you can get it to start and run after sitting makes me think it's a fuel delivery problem, especially after cutting out a few times. Was it worse under load?
Did you do anything with the tank during the resto? (I can't remember) How's that fuel filter? Tank sock? Was it last changed with the pump, a few years ago? Trigger points? |
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| saigon71 |
Jul 15 2015, 05:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,993 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Porschef @ Jul 15 2015, 06:07 AM) The fact that you can get it to start and run after sitting makes me think it's a fuel delivery problem, especially after cutting out a few times. Was it worse under load? Did you do anything with the tank during the resto? (I can't remember) How's that fuel filter? Tank sock? Was it last changed with the pump, a few years ago? Trigger points? Definitely worse under load. Tank was re-sealed & pressure tested during resto. I looked in there last week and it looked spotless with the tank sock in place. Fuel filter changed about a month ago. Recently swapped out trigger points with another set (found the old set was causing my other FI problems). |
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| Big Len |
Jul 15 2015, 06:02 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,747 Joined: 16-July 13 From: Edgewood, New Mexico Member No.: 16,126 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Porschef @ Jul 15 2015, 06:07 AM) The fact that you can get it to start and run after sitting makes me think it's a fuel delivery problem, especially after cutting out a few times. Was it worse under load? Did you do anything with the tank during the resto? (I can't remember) How's that fuel filter? Tank sock? Was it last changed with the pump, a few years ago? Trigger points? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Check again. |
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| saigon71 |
Jul 15 2015, 06:35 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,993 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(somd914 @ Jul 15 2015, 05:49 AM) Check for spark and fuel to begin with. Pertronix by chance? Go from there. If it looks like its too rich, check the CHT and the harness wire all the back to the ECU. Old school - points & condenser. |
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| Porschef |
Jul 15 2015, 06:39 AM
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How you doin' Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 7-September 10 From: LawnGuyland Member No.: 12,152 Region Association: North East States
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Hairline crack in the cap?
Just remembered how that happened a couple times on the old Mustang. After sitting a while it'd fire right up. If you have a spare try it |
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| cary |
Jul 15 2015, 07:19 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Is it the same after the engine got back to ambient?
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| sb914 |
Jul 15 2015, 08:41 AM
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Surf Guru Group: Members Posts: 4,295 Joined: 25-November 12 From: Brookings,Oregon Member No.: 15,191 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(saigon71 @ Jul 14 2015, 09:09 PM) Placed my first call to AAA for free towing tonight. On my way to Harrisburg, the car cut out on me pretty bad several times. I kept going and it seemed to clear up. After leaving my destination, it started doing the same thing...only this time, it quit completely. Nothing better than pushing your car off rt 22 by yourself three days after doing a Spartan Race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) When I turn the key, I hear the fuel pump kick in for a few seconds as it should. After sitting for a few minutes, I can get it to start but it will only run for about 15 seconds then dies. I did this several times, but the car won't stay running. The fuel pump is a Bosch two-port and is only a few years old. Ambient temps were about 80 degrees and the engine wasn't even warmed up yet. I hope to dig into it tomorrow...any suggestions on what to check? Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) well at least now you can be added to the flatbed thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) |
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| pvollma |
Jul 15 2015, 10:14 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: 12-May 13 From: Camp Hill, PA Member No.: 15,862 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(saigon71 @ Jul 14 2015, 09:09 PM) Placed my first call to AAA for free towing tonight. On my way to Harrisburg, the car cut out on me pretty bad several times. I kept going and it seemed to clear up. After leaving my destination, it started doing the same thing...only this time, it quit completely. Nothing better than pushing your car off rt 22 by yourself three days after doing a Spartan Race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) When I turn the key, I hear the fuel pump kick in for a few seconds as it should. After sitting for a few minutes, I can get it to start but it will only run for about 15 seconds then dies. I did this several times, but the car won't stay running. The fuel pump is a Bosch two-port and is only a few years old. Ambient temps were about 80 degrees and the engine wasn't even warmed up yet. I hope to dig into it tomorrow...any suggestions on what to check? My only experience with that type of behavior (76 2.0) was driving on 283 and having it stumble a few times. I started to pull off onto an exit and it quit completely, and would not restart. Had it towed to Tony, where they said it started right up. Turned out to be a loose ground wire on the fuel pump. They tightened it up and everything was fine. |
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| saigon71 |
Jul 15 2015, 10:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,993 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I am baffled. The car started right up this morning. I nervously took it for a test drive - no problems.
Let it run for a while but could not duplicate the problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
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| saigon71 |
Jul 15 2015, 10:35 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,993 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(pvollma @ Jul 15 2015, 12:14 PM) QUOTE(saigon71 @ Jul 14 2015, 09:09 PM) Placed my first call to AAA for free towing tonight. On my way to Harrisburg, the car cut out on me pretty bad several times. I kept going and it seemed to clear up. After leaving my destination, it started doing the same thing...only this time, it quit completely. Nothing better than pushing your car off rt 22 by yourself three days after doing a Spartan Race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) When I turn the key, I hear the fuel pump kick in for a few seconds as it should. After sitting for a few minutes, I can get it to start but it will only run for about 15 seconds then dies. I did this several times, but the car won't stay running. The fuel pump is a Bosch two-port and is only a few years old. Ambient temps were about 80 degrees and the engine wasn't even warmed up yet. I hope to dig into it tomorrow...any suggestions on what to check? My only experience with that type of behavior (76 2.0) was driving on 283 and having it stumble a few times. I started to pull off onto an exit and it quit completely, and would not restart. Had it towed to Tony, where they said it started right up. Turned out to be a loose ground wire on the fuel pump. They tightened it up and everything was fine. Thanks...I'll check the fuel pump wiring. |
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| 914itis |
Jul 15 2015, 10:46 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
where is your fuel pump located?
Vapor lock? |
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| mrholland2 |
Jul 15 2015, 10:47 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 7-September 11 From: Santa Maria,CA Member No.: 13,531 Region Association: Central California |
Similar problem with a carbbed car. Turns out the gas tank was internally delaminating (disintegrating) and the metal pieces cut thru any filters and chewed up the insides of a few fuel pumps.
Just a thought QUOTE(saigon71 @ Jul 14 2015, 09:09 PM) Placed my first call to AAA for free towing tonight. On my way to Harrisburg, the car cut out on me pretty bad several times. I kept going and it seemed to clear up. After leaving my destination, it started doing the same thing...only this time, it quit completely. Nothing better than pushing your car off rt 22 by yourself three days after doing a Spartan Race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) When I turn the key, I hear the fuel pump kick in for a few seconds as it should. After sitting for a few minutes, I can get it to start but it will only run for about 15 seconds then dies. I did this several times, but the car won't stay running. The fuel pump is a Bosch two-port and is only a few years old. Ambient temps were about 80 degrees and the engine wasn't even warmed up yet. I hope to dig into it tomorrow...any suggestions on what to check? Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| forrestkhaag |
Jul 15 2015, 11:53 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 935 Joined: 21-April 14 From: Scottsdale, Arizona Member No.: 17,273 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Mine did a similar thing recently and I did a similar thing recently... (the AAA tow) - the cause was faulty original wiring to the fuel pump / I am carbed so I simply wired from the switched pin on the relay board directly to the pump hot lead and it has been perfect ever since bypassing the original hot lead wire.
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