Found 914/6 Value Help Please Options

[Karguy12]

I am no Porsche expert although I have owned a few over the years. Ran across a 914 in a warehouse that is supposedly a 914/6. It has a 914/6 VIN stamped into the front right apron that looks factory (914043xXXX) The engine numbers match, trans numbers match and it has all of the 914/6 details that I could find like five bolt Fuchs, correct gauges, ignition, wiring harness, engine mounts, oil cooler, rear valance, etc. But the owner says he does not think it is a real 914/6 car. It has been in the warehouse for over 30 years and needs restoration but it is a very solid and straight car.

Engine is out as is the trans. The rear fuchs are a little wider than the fronts. The owner is asking me to make him an offer. So what I need to know is
a. What is this car worth if it has ALL of the 914/6 stuff and it is NOT a real car?, and
b. What would it be worth in this condition if it WAS a real car?

[SirAndy]

It has a 914/6 VIN stamped into the front right apron that looks factory (914043xXXX)

That is a real /6 VIN.

However, the car could still be stitched together. You won't know until you can inspect the underbody more closely.

Assuming that it is a real /6 and nothing major is missing, that it has the numbers matching engine and trans, i'd say you're looking at a minimum of 50k ...
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[bdstone914]

If the owner does not think it is a real six let him put a number on what he thinks it is worth. Might be a a lot less than what they go for. As Andy said it need a much closer look. Minor detail but it has a rain tray an 6' did not have one. Could be a swapped lid. Why is the engine and trans out? Engine turn over?

[mepstein]

Does it have mounts or evidence of once having the engine mounts from a four cylinder car? They aren't impossible to hide but it takes a bit of work.

There are small differences on a 6. Like reduced strength torsion springs for the engine lid since it didn't have a rain tray. I think the stamping in the trunk might be different in a 6. But if it has the engingine mounts for the crossbar of a four cylinder engine. Bingo!

[Karguy12]

Does it have mounts or evidence of once having the engine mounts from a four cylinder car? They aren't impossible to hide but it takes a bit of work.

There are small differences on a 6. Like reduced strength torsion springs for the engine lid since it didn't have a rain tray. I think the stamping in the trunk might be different in a 6. But if it has the engingine mounts for the crossbar of a four cylinder engine. Bingo!

I will have to go back and check more details. So let's say it DOES have the -4 engine mounts. What would the value of the car be with all of the correct 914/6 parts? Basically a regular 914 with all of the parts from a 914/6 including a correct VIN that looks original and un-tampered with? The VIN it has does not appear in any registry.

[mepstein]

Does it have mounts or evidence of once having the engine mounts from a four cylinder car? They aren't impossible to hide but it takes a bit of work.

There are small differences on a 6. Like reduced strength torsion springs for the engine lid since it didn't have a rain tray. I think the stamping in the trunk might be different in a 6. But if it has the engingine mounts for the crossbar of a four cylinder engine. Bingo!

I will have to go back and check more details. So let's say it DOES have the -4 engine mounts. What would the value of the car be with all of the correct 914/6 parts? Basically a regular 914 with all of the parts from a 914/6 including a correct VIN that looks original and un-tampered with? The VIN it has does not appear in any registry.

Its up to you if you want to get involved with a vin switched car. It could be anywhere from a hassle with your DMV to a illegal vehicle. You might want to get some independent legal advice before you purchase.

[Cairo94507]

To many variables really. Pull it out and take some pictures and look at the entire car as well as the underneath. How did you verify the VIN, engine and transaxle are all original to the same car? Oh, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png)

Lots of knowledgable people here, but you need to provide more info for them to go from to form a basis for a value.

[smg914]

I see that it has a 914-4 engine lid drip pan.

[Kaeferfreund]

Without knowing the complete VIN there is much speculation in it.

In some well known archives or databases there will be some additional information. Perhaps it is mentioned what happend in the past with the car.

First I would advise you to ask one of these experts here:

http://www.stazak.com/914reg/reg.html

http://p914-6info.net/index.htm

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/sales_history_9146_916

Good Luck!

[6freak]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) pictures sir! but look n at the rain tray and the wheels i smell a fish

[GeorgeRud]

That's a 1970 VIN, so it should have non-retractable seat belts, a field passenger seat, and no flat metal circular support around the front spare tire. Check the VIN on the windshield pillar as well. The ignition key should be on the left of the steering column.

There's nothing bad about a converted six, in fact they're actually a better car due to the many updates that most owners have made. However, if the VIN has been tampered with, run away as fast as you can or you'll be facing legal troubles down the road!

[sixnotfour]

rain tray, there is a first for everything

[Cairo94507]

In the 47 years since these cars were made a lot could have happened to them. Worth checking it out in person. Who knows maybe it is legit despite a couple issues from the picture. Could be a decent car.

The only thing that would cause me to walk away from it, assuming the condition is as it appears in the photo for the entire car, is a VIN swap. I have no idea if that is the case here, and do NOT want to infer that is the case, just saying. Good luck.

[jd74914]

If the owner does not think it is a real six let him put a number on what he thinks it is worth.

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Ask what they are thinking; you'd need to know anyways. Unless we're talking about a little old lady selling off the cars from her late husband to keep a roof over her head, or some other situation like that, its the seller's responsibility to research and know what they have. Don't give any cards out.

[0396]

I am no Porsche expert although I have owned a few over the years. Ran across a 914 in a warehouse that is supposedly a 914/6. It has a 914/6 VIN stamped into the front right apron that looks factory (914043xXXX) The engine numbers match, trans numbers match and it has all of the 914/6 details that I could find like five bolt Fuchs, correct gauges, ignition, wiring harness, engine mounts, oil cooler, rear valance, etc. But the owner says he does not think it is a real 914/6 car. It has been in the warehouse for over 30 years and needs restoration but it is a very solid and straight car.

Engine is out as is the trans. The rear fuchs are a little wider than the fronts. The owner is asking me to make him an offer. So what I need to know is
a. What is this car worth if it has ALL of the 914/6 stuff and it is NOT a real car?, and
b. What would it be worth in this condition if it WAS a real car?

First you're one lucky guy to have come across this find. It sure beats buying a 914 that has been sitting out side in the elements...where you possibly have to replace say 1/3 of the chassis. I'm not saying its bad,but at what cost and time.

Regarding some of the posted suggestions, they are great...as in school, do your homework. Regarding the rain tray ..how about the original owner updated this to protect the 40 mm webbers?

Good luck with your journey.

[Karguy12]

To many variables really. Pull it out and take some pictures and look at the entire car as well as the underneath. How did you verify the VIN, engine and transaxle are all original to the same car? Oh, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png)

Lots of knowledgable people here, but you need to provide more info for them to go from to form a basis for a value.

The engine/trans numbers are within the range of what was supposed to be on that production run. I have not purchased a COA. I am interested in the car to drive and enjoy. The car is being sold by a family member since the brother moved out of the country 25 years ago and has no plans of returning. It is ONLY being sold on a "make an offer" basis and I am currently the only one they are asking. They will then relay the offer for a yes or no. Yes, I have seen the car in person so it is not an internet scam. I can't talk to the actual owner because he is in Spain and just does not want to be bothered at all and has given the brother the right to sell the car with a free and clear title and a power of attorney. I will be going back next week with more details to check thanks to the suggestions here as well as research I've done. That's why I am trying to figure out what this is worth based on the "Real" or "not real" scenarios. I know i can finish it, drive it, enjoy it and register it as-is with no problems. I just want to know value wise for real or not real so when I figure out what it really is, my offer is within range for what it really is.

[toolguy]

Looking it at if from a different perspective, It's going to cost anywhere from 30K to 50k in parts and paint to restore. . plus about a year of your labor. . so the buy in has to be low enough to justify final investment. . . until you know the extent of repairs, motor build and trans work it's just a wild ass guess. Missing Six parts are expensive to locate and purchase.
Given what you pictured, I'd not want to pay much more than 20K assuming everything is there and the vin's are all correct, not swapped. Putting a Six back to correct factory
produced condition is a time and money consuming investment. Done right, full restoration with numbers matching motor and trans, it's an 80K car as a driver and upwards to 100K if absolutely 100% Concour perfect.

[Dave_Darling]

The biggest question to me is the VIN. If it is in fact a 914-4, then it has had a VIN swap. That is a potentially HUGE issue--as in spending time in a Federal penitentiary huge. (Very unlikely for a buyer, but at the least it could lead to uncomfortable questions from Federal agents and the car getting crushed.)

We know of a silver Six sold recently that is in fact a -4 with a Six VIN retrofitted onto it. (Do a search, there are a couple of threads on it here.) Very Bad Stuff.

If it can be argued that it is a Six with a bunch of -4 pieces on it, that is safer.

If it is indeed a real Six and un-tampered, it can be worth some money. But restoration will not be cheap. For instance, a stock rebuild on the engine can run well into five figures.

--DD

[Mike Fitton]

Does it have this set of gauges? Note the unusual temperature scale, also the tach would have the 911T redline at 6200 but for the 914-6 the redline graphic is much narrower than on the 911T tach. Also a real 6 should have the chassis number stamped in the floor of the rear trunk towards the rear and centered, the 4's had the number stamped more towards the passenger side of the rear trunk floor.

[Coondog]

Ok I will give you a number

914-4 offer 2,000

914-6 offer 40,000