Best way to install push rod tubes for no leaks |
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Best way to install push rod tubes for no leaks |
pcdarks |
Jan 22 2021, 10:42 AM
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I'm getting ready to put my 1.7 back together and am wondering what you people do to insure that the push rod tubes don't leak. From what I saw taking it apart this is where most of my leaks came from. Is it possible? or were the tubes designed by the British? thanks.
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Superhawk996 |
Jan 22 2021, 10:45 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,726 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
. . . were the tubes designed by the British? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) They all leak eventually. Viton seals are the best bet long term. In my experience, I've had decent success with silicone grease O-ring lubricant from Dow Corning. Helps avoid nicking the o-rings on install and provides a little lubrication to account for thermal expansion contraction. RTV is a no-go IMHO. I've never seen that work. |
wattele |
Jan 22 2021, 10:51 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 17-November 19 From: Belgium Member No.: 23,651 Region Association: Europe |
I had my push rod tubes powder coated.
After powder coating they are a little ticker this together with new seals I have no leaks after 8000 Miles. Succes Willy |
DRPHIL914 |
Jan 22 2021, 10:52 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,758 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
for me the third time was the charm no leaks for 2.5 years!
used some lube/oil, NOT RVT!, and a different seal from McMark they are squarish work them on with a twisting motion slowly to not crease or catch the seal. Phil |
914Sixer |
Jan 22 2021, 10:55 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,863 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Motor oil. On 1.7 engines there were two sizes of push rod tubes. Early heads had smaller diameter opening so watch for that. Use a 15mm or so deep socket with extension to push them in. You should hear a pop sound when they seat.
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iankarr |
Jan 22 2021, 10:57 AM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,471 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
New viton seals...and hospital-clean bores. Some people put a thin coat of locktite 565 on the o-rings.
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pcdarks |
Jan 22 2021, 03:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 22-June 13 Member No.: 16,037 Region Association: None |
I found this thread it says to put in Viton O Rings and use Loctite pipe sealant on them when installing.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=260801 get them from McMaster-Carr Small Viton Orings: 9464K33 ($8.20 for 25) Large Viton Orings: 9464K35 ($8.43 for 25) |
dlee6204 |
Jan 22 2021, 04:47 PM
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Howdy Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
For many years I replaced them with no sealant with marginal results. I now use Loctite 565 with great results.
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Mark Henry |
Jan 22 2021, 05:00 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
I found this thread it says to put in Viton O Rings and use Loctite pipe sealant on them when installing. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=260801 get them from McMaster-Carr Small Viton Orings: 9464K33 ($8.20 for 25) Large Viton Orings: 9464K35 ($8.43 for 25) Guys stating they use "Loctite 565", it's also called loctite pipe sealant, pipe dope, teflon pipe sealant, liquid teflon it's all the same stuff. I used to use it, works good, but I moved on to dow corning 55 a decade ago. |
Superhawk996 |
Jan 22 2021, 05:06 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,726 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
. . . I moved on to dow corning 55 a decade ago. There you go. Thats the stuff -- I couldn't remember the number when I posted. Also reminds me I gave mine away long ago and need a new tube for upcoming rebuilds this year. Thanks Mark! https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pnpa...ASABEgK0zPD_BwE |
flat4guy |
Jan 22 2021, 08:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 10-October 16 From: nor cal Member No.: 20,484 Region Association: Northern California |
In the VW world they now have spring loaded ones that always have tension on them - I have used 2 sets and no leaks 2 years later. About $100 for 8
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Mark Henry |
Jan 23 2021, 10:42 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
In the VW world they now have spring loaded ones that always have tension on them - I have used 2 sets and no leaks 2 years later. About $100 for 8 Maybe for a T1 but that won't work in a T4. My biggest trick is I use a 1" flap sander and give the bores a quick once over and I also debur any sharp edges before the final cleaning and install of the tubes. I use the dow 55 Oring lube slight twist as I install. Once done be very careful installing the retaining spring and Bob's yer uncle. |
AZBanks |
Jan 23 2021, 12:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,051 Joined: 7-December 05 From: New River, AZ Member No.: 5,245 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Does anyone have the part number for seals for a 1.8?
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yellowporky |
Jan 23 2021, 02:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 18-October 09 From: Martinez, Ca. Member No.: 10,948 Region Association: Northern California |
We just rebuilt my stock 1.7 and i bought the expensive stainless pushrod tubes thinking that i did a good thing but they unfortunately were not as good as there price would dictate. We tried to make them round and were hopeful but after 1200 miles 2 tubes on the passenger side are leaking.
This stuff drives me crazy so i did some more research and came across these CSP tubes that are billet aluminum and under $300 shipped from Germany. Arrived in 2 weeks too. For me it is a small price to pay to hopefully never look back. And i did just order a tube of the Dow 55. Thank you for that recommendation. Fingers crossed |
Dave_Darling |
Jan 23 2021, 10:10 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,980 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Those seem like a big waste of money to me. The stock ones are plenty good, and not that expensive.
Note that the stock tubes are spring-loaded, that's what the "curious bent wire" thing inside the rocker box is. It's a spring that pushes the outer shoulder of the tube inward toward the case centerline. You need to make sure that the parts of the wire that poke down into the tubes actually sit on the shoulders of the tube, or they'll rub on the pushrod and wear a nice notch in it. --DD |
Mark Henry |
Jan 24 2021, 07:22 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
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I've used a few sets of aftermarket tubes and except in the odd case of an oversized stroker IMHO these are a waste of money. If I only had two leakers I would just have another go at those two. |
yellowporky |
Jan 24 2021, 11:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 18-October 09 From: Martinez, Ca. Member No.: 10,948 Region Association: Northern California |
If they work it is worth the money to me as time to work on the cars is difficult to come by and I would rather be driving it than working on it
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pcdarks |
Feb 7 2021, 02:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 22-June 13 Member No.: 16,037 Region Association: None |
I bought the Viton seasl from McMaster Carr. Can someone tell me the difference between Loctite 565 and 567
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914Sixer |
Feb 7 2021, 03:03 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,863 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
My engine has been on the stand for 4 months after run in with no oil leaks. No sealant anywhere except for engine case and oi pump gasket
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Rav914 |
Feb 8 2021, 12:15 AM
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All-weather fan Group: Members Posts: 738 Joined: 15-April 07 From: WA Member No.: 7,669 Region Association: None |
Viton seals. I've removed the heads three times in the past few years for reasons unrelated to leaking. I replaced the seals each time, never reused them. I also make sure the bores are super clean and then put a fine coat of engine assembly lube on the seals so they don't catch or twist. Zero leaks every time.
Stock pushrod tubes as well. |
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