Shifter bar all of a sudden hitting engine mount bar..., Ideas? |
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Shifter bar all of a sudden hitting engine mount bar..., Ideas? |
Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 09:20 AM
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Pleepleus Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 24-June 08 From: Grass Valley, CA Member No.: 9,206 Region Association: Northern California |
74 2.0 side shift
Daily driver. One day on my way home I could not get the shifter over to the 4th & 5th gear plane. Worked fine that morning. When I went to leave I started the car in neutral and when I pushed in the clutch I heard a significant pop. I thought the clutch cable tube may have popped and be blocking the shifter in the tunnel. Took all that apart and it appears to be fine both in the tunnel and at the firewall. Engine and transmissions mounts appear to be correct and tight Bushings and conical screws at both the firewall and transmission appear to be fine and tight. I had gone through all of them about 5 years ago. Had the wife wiggle the shifter towards the 4/5 plane and can see the shift rod is hitting the top of the hole in the engine mount bar. I don't see how the pop I heard when pushing in the clutch would correlate to the shift rod now hitting the engine bar. I did drive it to work one more time since it happened. I stuck to the back roads where I did not need to go over 50 mph and everything else is working as normal as it always has. Thoughts? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
Shivers |
May 15 2021, 10:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2,292 Joined: 19-October 20 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 24,781 Region Association: Southern California |
Okay, shot in the dark...How are the splines on the shifter rod? could it have skipped a spline? Also at the trans shifter console. the rod coming from the interior of the trans itself is two pieces. did that shift out of place? It would only need to drop on that shaft a bit to mess the travel up. Hope it's a cheap fix
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Luke M |
May 15 2021, 10:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,366 Joined: 8-February 05 From: WNY Member No.: 3,574 Region Association: North East States |
If the linkage did not move then you should check your shift bushings and rubber motor mounts.
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GregAmy |
May 15 2021, 10:28 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,262 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
If the linkage did not move then you should check your shift bushings and rubber motor mounts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) And the firewall bearing. Get Tangerine's. http://www.tangerineracing.com/transmission.htm |
SirAndy |
May 15 2021, 11:17 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,581 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Do you have the correct solid outer mounts for the cross bar or did you (or PO) replace them with rubber mounts?
If you have the solid mounts, check the sheet metal the cross bar is mounted to and make sure nothing has rusted through. The only way that cross bar can drop is if either one of the mounts failed. That's either the bolt(s) came lose or the metal cracked. Since your shifter is hitting the top of the hole, either the cross bar moved down or the shifter moved up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) PS: Post some pics of all the mounting points and the firewall area where the shifter exits |
Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 12:47 PM
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Pleepleus Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 24-June 08 From: Grass Valley, CA Member No.: 9,206 Region Association: Northern California |
Correct solid outer mounts. No signs of cracking or rust even.
I am starting to think the shift rod moved up. The way it bends I am suspecting it did slip a spine. Everything under the engine area looks like it has always looked as far as I can tell. The splines took a little wear and tear when I redid everything a few years ago. Driver side mount |
Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 12:48 PM
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Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 12:49 PM
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Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 12:50 PM
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SirAndy |
May 15 2021, 02:38 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,581 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Those look good, how about pictures of the rear transmission mounts?
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Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 05:35 PM
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Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 05:36 PM
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Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 05:37 PM
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SirAndy |
May 15 2021, 06:02 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,581 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
That looks good too. I think we can rule out any of the mounting points.
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SirAndy |
May 15 2021, 06:05 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,581 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
This might just be the camera angle, but in your first pictures, it looks like the engine bar is bent.
The long sleeves that have the bolts inside look like they are bent towards the rear of the car. Did you bottom out and hit something with the cross bar? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
bobboinski |
May 15 2021, 06:45 PM
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Look at the difference in post 12 vs 13. I haven't looked at my cars to see if this is normal but the transmission mounts appear to be at opposite ends of their travel. As though the engine/transmission are sitting cocked in the car?
edit Just realized different angles... |
Shivers |
May 15 2021, 06:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2,292 Joined: 19-October 20 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 24,781 Region Association: Southern California |
Look at the difference in post 12 vs 13. I haven't looked at my cars to see if this is normal but the transmission mounts appear to be at opposite ends of their travel. As though the engine/transmission are sitting cocked in the car? edit Just realized different angles... The pic with the speedo drive in it the bolt is more towards the muffler Or rear of the car. The other pic shows the console dust cover and axle, looking forward. It looks like the bolt is towards the rear of the car again. The pics are on their sides, I turned my laptop |
IronHillRestorations |
May 15 2021, 07:00 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,708 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
Transmission mounts look a little low to me. Could also be the rubber engine mounts. Set the parking brake, start the engine, and have a helper put it in 1st and release the clutch a little while you watch the engine (hatch open). If the engine raises up on one side a couple inches you probably have a bad mount. Not fun to change either.
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bdstone914 |
May 15 2021, 07:07 PM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,497 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
@Millerwelds
Can you post a pic of where the shift rod bar is contacting the engine bar? Have you checked the bushing in the shift console? And that the shift coupler at the trans end of the rod is intact to the rod end with bushing? Helped a guy with a similar probelm but he had the engine swapped end for end. The shift rod way binding against the bar. |
Millerwelds |
May 15 2021, 07:22 PM
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Pleepleus Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 24-June 08 From: Grass Valley, CA Member No.: 9,206 Region Association: Northern California |
This might just be the camera angle, but in your first pictures, it looks like the engine bar is bent. The long sleeves that have the bolts inside look like they are bent towards the rear of the car. Did you bottom out and hit something with the cross bar? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Yes it is and has always had that angle to it. The bottom of the bar angles to the rear of the car. There is a large sump (not a tuna can) on the engine that is lower then the bar and I have never caught either on anything. Might have been bent prior to my ownership but always like that since I bought it 12 or so years ago. |
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