914 GT 3.6 Ferrari Build, - Mechanicals coming along, electronics soon! Options

[tygaboy]

Many interesting guesses and suggestions but here's Martin's comment:
"Well, if all you need to do is move everything forward, why not just cut off the flange, move each tube forward by one cylinder and remake the one tube?"

Other than his use of the word "just", he nailed it!

Note, this is just tack/hack welded as proof of concept. But the interesting thing is that, you can see the there's plenty of room to get that front cylinder tube back to the collector while keeping appropriate length.

With this no longer an unknown, I can purchase a set of aftermarket headers knowing I can make them work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)

[tygaboy]

Like it was made for it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

And that O2 bung was never going to work so don't worry about that.

[Andyrew]

I like simple solutions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) loooks good in there!!

[horizontally-opposed]

That Martin…pretty crafty. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Cairo94507]

Very nice and practical. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[tygaboy]

The build may be seeing a major change. I'm looking into what it'll take to work up an adapter to get the Ferrari engine mated to a Boxster S trans. I got a great deal on a G86-20 and in putting together a pro/con list, the Boxster trans comes out ahead by a fair bit.
Things like off the shelf axles, no need for limiting straps, far lower costs, shifters that are actually available (!)...
It won't be a simple adapter in that, the Ferrari trans houses the dry sump tank and the low pressure oil return is in the lower right side of the engine block. That's it, circled in the pic below. This means the adapter has to have account for that passage and accommodate an oil line fitting that pokes out the side.

Oh, and like @clayperrine Clay, I have to make room for a starter on the trans side of things.

So, this will delay things a bit and I may end up going back to the Ferrari trans. Just need to see what's what before committing to the chassis fab.

Another example of "if were easy, everyone would be doing it."

[horizontally-opposed]

Something rather poetic about a 914/6 oil tank feeding a Ferrari V8, if it can be done and is sufficient…

[tygaboy]

Something rather poetic about a 914/6 oil tank feeding a Ferrari V8, if it can be done and is sufficient…

@horizontally-opposed Pete - it's better than that. If the Boxster trans is a go, I want to do a mirror image oil tank on the right side of the 914 - this because the oil return is on the right side of the Ferrari engine. Not that a cross-over line is a problem, more "because I can/mine is different."
And better yet: given this chassis is a '72, let's give a nod to the 72 911 and have an exterior oil door!

[Chris914n6]

The build may be seeing a major change. I'm looking into what it'll take to work up an adapter to get the Ferrari engine mated to a Boxster S trans.

You asked for it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.pinimg.com-431-1663118866.1.gif)

I looked it up real quick... no difference in function between the 360 and Box shifter so no reason you couldn't use it. You will likely have to make cables the right length anyways. Since you have both trannys you can easily measure the lever throw.

I also don't fathom how an adapter/flywheel/starter cutout/oil tank could be less work than Sway-a-way making axles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

You might find 911/Bus/944/Box/996 axles fit just right since the Ferrari looks wider.

Have you measured the actual CV angle with the trans in place? I don't think it will be that much to worry about. You will need 930 size CVs anyways for the power.

[horizontally-opposed]

Ooh, all inputs very interesting. Including 72 oil door (lol) as well as Chris's thoughts above.

Am I at 50/50? Not yet. But tell me this: Would there be a chance that the Ferrari box would have its diff peeking out from the rear, a la 288 GTO? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[SirAndy]

I got a great deal on a G86-20 and in putting together a pro/con list, the Boxster trans comes out ahead by a fair bit.

Easy fix, sell me the G86-20 and stick with the Ferrari transmission.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

[Retroracer]

A pro/con list you say? So it seems you're applying rational logic to the act of stuffing a modern(ish) Ferrari V8 into a 50 year old sports car that'll need rampantly extensive metal & chassis modifications to accommodate it?

Pls, tell me more about your rational, logical approach.

- Tony

PS. I jest, of course. And, please keep the Ferrari transmission and definitely that funky oil container/ air separator. Someone went to the trouble of "clocking" the Ferrari logo (on the cap) in the correct orientation to the rear of the car when it is fully hand tight; how could you not honor that obsessive detail? ;-)

PPS. Genius approach on the headers BTW

[rgalla9146]

In all these years I never realized the similarity of our 914 6s to '72 911s with the oil
tank in front of the rear wheel !
Our 6s could have had the oil fill door on the drivers rear quarter.
On the other hand.....our gas filler under the hood allows the entire car to be free of
extraneous "details"
This thread and the creative work it requires is very cool.
Great to see.
Thank you for allowing us to watch the process.

[mb911]

Something rather poetic about a 914/6 oil tank feeding a Ferrari V8, if it can be done and is sufficient…

@horizontally-opposed Pete - it's better than that. If the Boxster trans is a go, I want to do a mirror image oil tank on the right side of the 914 - this because the oil return is on the right side of the Ferrari engine. Not that a cross-over line is a problem, more "because I can/mine is different."
And better yet: given this chassis is a '72, let's give a nod to the 72 911 and have an exterior oil door!

@tygaboy

Let me know if you need laser blanks of the oil tanks for your application. I have plenty of them.

[tygaboy]

Let me know if you need laser blanks of the oil tanks for your application. I have plenty of them.

Hey Ben - Great minds! As soon as the idea of running a 914 tank popped into my head, I immediately thought "I wonder if Ben's parts could be used...?" I have a way to go before I abandon the Ferrari trans but I will absolutely be in touch if I need a tank/parts.
Thanks for your support!
Chris

[Montreal914]

My vote is for the Ferrari gearbox, no need for a third party to get involved in this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Amazing project, wonderful daily entertainment for the readers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[tygaboy]

The build may be seeing a major change. I'm looking into what it'll take to work up an adapter to get the Ferrari engine mated to a Boxster S trans.

You asked for it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I looked it up real quick... no difference in function between the 360 and Box shifter so no reason you couldn't use it. You will likely have to make cables the right length anyways. Since you have both trannys you can easily measure the lever throw.

I also don't fathom how an adapter/flywheel/starter cutout/oil tank could be less work than Sway-a-way making axles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

You might find 911/Bus/944/Box/996 axles fit just right since the Ferrari looks wider.

Have you measured the actual CV angle with the trans in place? I don't think it will be that much to worry about. You will need 930 size CVs anyways for the power.

@Chris914n6 - Is that how you're doing it in your Ferrari swap? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Look, I know my posting style invites all sorts of input but, come on - you all should know by now that I don't give up easily. If I abandon the Ferrari trans, it'll be for reasons well beyond a set of custom axles.

And here's a pic to give you something to chew on: While I don't need an entire conversion kit, I do need some of these hen's teeth parts. I'm happy to accept donations to support the project! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)

Speaking of swaps, did the parts I made for your project work out?

[tygaboy]

No screwing around here! Some of you may be aware of Home Built by Jeff's Alfarrari build on YouTube. He's putting a 360 engine in the front of a vintage Alfa. He got wind of my build and I've been communicating with him. He was kind enough to share his adapter file! This is the Ferrari side of things, including the oil return passage.
Ignore the other side as it's for a Subbie BRZ trans (!).
Anyway, this get's me a good way down the "what'll it take" road. And let me say it again:
I haven't decided which trans I'll use. But knowledge is power and I'll know more, regardless.

[Chris914n6]

@Chris914n6 - Is that how you're doing it in your Ferrari swap? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Look, I know my posting style invites all sorts of input but, come on - you all should know by now that I don't give up easily. If I abandon the Ferrari trans, it'll be for reasons well beyond a set of custom axles.

And here's a pic to give you something to chew on: While I don't need an entire conversion kit, I do need some of these hen's teeth parts. I'm happy to accept donations to support the project! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)

Speaking of swaps, did the parts I made for your project work out?

Just working with what you posted (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

10,000 car repairs later and everything looks the same... Ferrari isn't that special when all the engineers are schooled the same. Plus I have a 20 year head start on conversions starting before the stint at Renegade. My Nissan is getting a Subaru trans because it's easy and the BoxS is just too involved. Just trying to help and share wisdom.

I take it now you are working with the F1 trans? What are the issues and what parts do you need?

Your parts came out great (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[rick 918-S]

Very cool project. Some the challenges with adapters are the added length for input shafts and starter depth. I really like the computer rendering. I don't have those skills. But with a tape measure and a router it can be done.