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914 GT 3.6 Ferrari Build, - Mechanicals coming along, electronics soon! |
Cairo94507 |
Oct 14 2022, 06:40 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,093 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
I am looking forward to seeing all this when I next travel to the Red Barn. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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tygaboy |
Oct 18 2022, 05:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
That's the hangers done with the inner wall all tidied up. The goal is to get these and the associated cross bars welded in this week!
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Van B |
Oct 18 2022, 06:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,618 Joined: 20-October 21 From: WR, GA Member No.: 26,011 Region Association: None |
So very tidy. Well done sir.
BTW, do you have a favorite marking dye and scribe combo? I bought a protractor from eastwood a few months back and it couldn’t even make a dent in sharpie ink on carbon steel lol… |
tygaboy |
Oct 18 2022, 07:52 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
So very tidy. Well done sir. BTW, do you have a favorite marking dye and scribe combo? I bought a protractor from eastwood a few months back and it couldn’t even make a dent in sharpie ink on carbon steel lol… @Van B it's just blue dykem layout fluid. Any scribe will mark it. It's way better than Sharpie ink. I generally use a "regular ol'" scribe or one tip of the caliper. |
Van B |
Oct 18 2022, 10:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,618 Joined: 20-October 21 From: WR, GA Member No.: 26,011 Region Association: None |
Dykem. Awesome thank you! It’s only in this past year that I’ve been doing the kind of fab projects that made me wish I had some lol. Placing my amazon order right meow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Also, I was thinking about those brackets and I think you should TIG them onto the tubing and see how it looks if you leave the weld as opposed to grinding smooth. I think a little fab signature might look good there. |
tygaboy |
Oct 18 2022, 10:27 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
Dykem. Awesome thank you! It’s only in this past year that I’ve been doing the kind of fab projects that made me wish I had some lol. Placing my amazon order right meow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Also, I was thinking about those brackets and I think you should TIG them onto the tubing and see how it looks if you leave the weld as opposed to grinding smooth. I think a little fab signature might look good there. @Van B - It'll all be TIGed. Those hangers were TIGed, too. But the goal was to have consistant corner radii and look manufactured vs fabricated. All the other TIG welds will be left "as welded", just like in my LS build. Pic of my door bar as an example. Attached image(s) |
Van B |
Oct 19 2022, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,618 Joined: 20-October 21 From: WR, GA Member No.: 26,011 Region Association: None |
TBH, I couldn't give two shits about a F360 engine in a P914. I only follow this thread because I like your approach to fab. You and I think a lot a like with regard to it being more of an art project vs a construction project. That's why I think about things like what welds to show and which ones to smooth. A weld is like hand writing, unique to each person.
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tygaboy |
Oct 20 2022, 04:41 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
"Weld it in time" for the trans mount! But to get the various pieces of the mount in the correct location, we first fit the upper bar: leveled to the car and positioned equally fore/aft on each side. Then, based on a handful of different measurements, located center.
Next, we got the hangers fitted to the upper bar, jacked the drive train into position, bolted the trans to the hangers and after ensuring one side's hanger as in the correct location, tacked it to the bar. With the first hanger located, the assembly was removed and clamped to the fixture table. I'd previously measured the desired distance needed between the hangers (trans mount boss + washers) and Martin whipped up a spacer block that we used to locate the 2nd hanger. Here's the fixturing and one of Martin hard at work with the TIG. Attached thumbnail(s) |
tygaboy |
Oct 20 2022, 04:43 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
With the upper/hanger assembly tacked, we slipped the curved lower tube into place.
Presenting one Ferrari 360 trans mount, ready for final fitting! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
mikey63 |
Oct 20 2022, 04:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 30-March 10 From: Windsor,Ca Member No.: 11,529 Region Association: Northern California |
Nice work!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
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tygaboy |
Oct 20 2022, 04:49 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
The above mount was then fit back into the chassis and the trans bolted to the hangers.
I then held a large aluminum plate against both tubes and rotated the lower tube until the plate would not rock at all. This ensures the curved tube is completely in plane with the upper bar. With that done, the lower tube was tacked to the hangers, the complete assembly pulled out and returned to the fixture table. The spacer block went back in and all joints were welded. I welded parts of the underside (the side you're seeing here) and asked that Martin take care of all welds in areas that will be easily seen. My welding skills are really coming along and much as I "want to do it all", when I have access to someone as skilled as Martin, it makes sense to me that I leverage the opportunity. Attached thumbnail(s) |
tygaboy |
Oct 20 2022, 04:52 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
One more trip from the fixture table back into the chassis. Bolt the trans to the mount, verify the tubes are all correctly located and final weld the trans mount in place!
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tygaboy |
Oct 20 2022, 04:57 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
So there it is. After a ton of head scratching and numerous design changes, the car has its first "Ferrari specific" mod all but completed. There are a couple inches of welding left to do on the underside of the cross bars at the chassis but things are plenty strong to safely work on the car.
Major milestone, for sure. Attached thumbnail(s) |
Cairo94507 |
Oct 20 2022, 04:59 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,093 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
That looks very cool Chris. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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KELTY360 |
Oct 20 2022, 05:30 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,089 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Very clean. Will the truncated trunk hide this handiwork?
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tygaboy |
Oct 20 2022, 05:38 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,452 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
Very clean. Will the truncated trunk hide this handiwork? @KELTY360 - It will, but the trunk will be removable. And I probably won't run with it in, just use it when/if I need to carry a soft bag, etc. All that assumes I can come up with an exhaust that allows for a trunk! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (I think I can...) |
Krieger |
Oct 20 2022, 07:39 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,763 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Very nice work! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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cassmcentee |
Oct 20 2022, 08:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 219 Joined: 12-July 18 From: Squaw Valley, CA Member No.: 22,304 Region Association: Central California |
Beautiful
"The Little Engine That Could" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Van B |
Oct 20 2022, 09:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,618 Joined: 20-October 21 From: WR, GA Member No.: 26,011 Region Association: None |
Oh man that came out great. Definitely worth the effort to go back and forth to the fixture table, the welds are gorgeous!
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Dion |
Oct 21 2022, 04:34 AM
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RN Group: Members Posts: 2,801 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Audubon,PA Member No.: 2,766 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Outstanding.
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