P-car 6 or SBC 8, for Ury Options

[turbo914v8]

Brett is wright. We all want more fun. More HP = More fun. That’s why I built my bastard 914. When I get too use to the power or some one makes the mistake of trying to pass me weather it be on a straight or in the twisties I just turn up the boost and its a hole different beast. Trust me. Driving a high HP 914 takes a lot of skill, fast reflexes, and big balls to hold on to it in the corners. I am sure that moving form a stock 4 to a high power v8 would make the best of you wet your pants. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[redshift]

I had a V8, because after 4-5 hours of drving a 4, you dream of one... you know.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) and so it was a 383/425 and you could... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/icon8.gif) spin the wheels pretty much anytime, and it loped on idle, like getting a back rub from a tank, and hated cops, and was safety orange, and even with big rubber, the back end would start the death snap too early for me to squirt the same old curves, at speed, no matter how we set the ride up.

I am not a track guy. I like short visability, and exciting suprises... in the wild.

(that aren't shaped like Bambi)

It's all different driving styles. I had DTSS.. deadly teener.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/icon8.gif) spinny syndrome..


M

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Brett W @ Aug 20 2005, 05:14 PM)

it is usually a city street or on the interstate, where all the handling in the world won't let you win

now i see where you're coming from and why you most certainly need a 500HP SBC in your 914.

we're obviously driving these little cars for completely different reasons ...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) Andy (who has just as much fun with a 100HP 914)

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Aug 20 2005, 05:43 PM)

Trust me. Driving a high HP 914 takes a lot of skill, fast reflexes, and big balls to hold on to it in the corners. I am sure that moving form a stock 4 to a high power v8 would make the best of you wet your pants. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

i'm glad you got those BIG BALLS to hang onto. would hate to see you in the ditch or worse.
me, i prefer to keep both hands on the steering wheel, but that's just me ...

i have driven a ~750HP 914 v8. sorry, didn't wet my pants. in fact, it was fun to drive.

i did, however hold on for dear life when Rich Bontempi (who won countless races in his 1.8L 914) took me for a ride in his race-prepped viper ...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) Andy

[Brett W]

Andy, I drive a 914 for a couple of reasons:

1. It can be one of the best handling cars on the planet if done right.
2. No one can hang with me in the twisties.
3. I never pass myself or park beside myself.
4. People don't know what it is.
5. Did I say I have to have a car that handles, stops, and GOES.

I have a feeling our reasons are very similar. Are you going to tell Porsche that the Carrera GT is a failure as a car because it doesn't rely totally on driver skill? How about the F40, no traction control, no ABS, nothing but a stout motor, huge brakes and a tight chassis. The 914 is an economy sports car that has many flaws, but the options and advantages of the car in my mind offset those problems. I will continue building 914s, mine will have lots of HP and brakes and world class handling. These are the things in my mind what makes a Porsche a Porsche (not VW).

[Crazyhippy]

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Aug 20 2005, 03:19 PM)

QUOTE (Brett W @ Aug 20 2005, 04:02 PM) My Honda could outrun most of the stock 914s on the autocross course. first, i doubt that. second, how old is your honda? i don't see too many 35 year old hondas giving brand new porsches a run for their money anywhere. i do, however, see 35 year old 914s do just that at any event i attend. i just don't buy into this "underpowered" crap. sorry guys, IMHO, learn how to drive before you complain about not having enough HP ... sure, i could add a /6 with 200 more HP and maybe shave off a second or two on average, but that wouldn't make me a better driver, now would it? that's why i'm going to run my 2056 for at least another 2 seasons. the car has a lot more potential still. it's not the lack of HP that's holding me back right now, it's the lack of skill on the drivers part. until that has improved, no additional HP for me ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) Andy

Why are you running a 2056? I assume you blew up (or wore out) a stocker and needed a bit more, so you take the next step.

And you also say in 2 years you want more HP

So upgrade and get used to it, upgrade and get used to it.... One day you will need to upgrade into a V-8 (or a late model P-car 6 which will do the same basic thing while only costing 3X more (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)

I think you are getting it.

I also get a kick out of the 4cyl guys comparing cars w/ hondas, while the v-8 guys are comparing cars w/ vipers, ferrari's, New Vet's etc... It has been said you are judged by the company you keep (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Brett W]

I don't have a four cylinder 914 anymore. I am in the process of building a 4.0 V8 car. Maybe you missed this:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=...2deba8e98974474


Now I compared it to a Honda because I have a turbo civic as well. Soon I will have two V8 cars one street and one race. Neither will be based on a production car.

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Aug 20 2005, 08:39 PM)

I think you are getting it

no, au contraire, i think you're *not* getting it ...

the 1.8L was tired and the 2056 came along, no big deal. i could have bought and installed a SBC 350 for the same amount of money i paid for the 2056 but i choose not to.

it is too bad that some guys (like you) seem more interested in the bragging rights about how much HP their car has and how BIG their balls are, than actually being interested in the 914 as a classic sports car.
of course we all know that a high HP engine in your car means you have huge balls and you're for sure a manly man ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

maybe you should stick with your american iron and leave the 914s to the guys who can enjoy them for what they are ...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) Andy

[Andyrew]

I had my 914 for a good year on the stock engine.

I considered a couple things.

I had a dyno'd 55hp to the rear wheels on a 2.0....

I had 2 considerable options.

T4: Spend 3k and build an engine that had about 140hp, Either built 4 or turbo. I would still have the reliability that I had. None.

Or: Spend 3k and build a reliable, and infinately fast(more hp=more $$) v8 (only in the straights (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) ).


I considered my options.
I considered what I could do.
I considered what I really liked.....

I talked it over with my parents....

Then one day my engine (after adjusting the valves) just went crazy... it had no power, no idle.. ext. Normal symtoms, some should be fixed after adjusting the valves... but I made it worse. Told myself I cant do this, I hate this engine, and decided to do a conversion. I mulled over the options....

6 is to much money for me.
v6 has balancing issues
subi 2.0 140hp
subi 6, 160hp
subi turbo's Never been done.

Each of these engine's where conversions that for the most part where in my budjet and where for sale durring the 1 year that I was looking for a replacement power source.

Then someone mentioned v8. I think it was brad.... He told me how much I could do it for... Then Scott gave me a great offer, then another guy gave me a great offer... and I said heck.. Lets do it.

Now that its said and done, I've ridden in 6's. I've driven 4's. I personally love hot rods,

my car is a hot rod, and I love it.

No it might not handle like a light weight T4 with hoosiers and suspension...
Its not light weight, I have YET to do my weight mods,
It doesnt have hoosiers, Its running regular street tires.
And It Does need more rear suspension work. Im pushing.

Give me a year.
I just finished with reliability and school.

Now I have a little bit of time, and money.

btw, andy, I dont think the v8's guys are trying to go for the "classic sports car..." I dont even think that your car qualifys....
I think the v8 guys are going for a hot rod/exotic supercar mix.

Maybe thats just me.

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Aug 20 2005, 11:48 PM)

I dont even think that your car qualifys....

why? because it has a 916 body kit on it?
let's see, the car is a '70, the factory build the 11 916s in '72.
i don't see a problem there ...

i don't mind v8 conversions. hot rod all you want. it's your car. no problem.
just don't tell me that the only way the 914 is *worthy* and *fun* is with a 350 in it ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bs.gif)

if you have to run around telling everybody how big your balls are because you dare to drive a 914 with a v8 in it, fine ...
just don't expect anything but a (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) from me ...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Andy

[Andyrew]

Alrighty, I see your point on your car.
And the four cylander does give it a more sports car feeling. (rev it to go)

I dont remember seeing anyone say that the v8 is the only way...

I must say that on the track, I think that the v8 vs a simularly prepaired 4 (same cash involved) would do much better.


Heck, my v8 is my error fixer on the autox.... lol... Im not the best driver out there (by far)

Im not even the worst! Im somewhere in the middle. With little hope of being the best.

[grantsfo]

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Aug 20 2005, 02:15 PM)

QUOTE (grantsfo @ Aug 20 2005, 01:54 PM)  Everyone knows Corvette drivers need all that power because they dont know how to drive.  :trophy: You really need to get out more, Grant. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I had Tom Kotzian jump into my car at a SCCA practice session recently......he's a former 3 time national champ in SS. He hadn't driven a 914 in about 15 years. After a quick refresher course on the 914 shift pattern in the lanes, he knocked a second off my best time...on his first pass. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) ...a 27 vs my 28 sec pass.....a lifetime on such a short course. I've got 100 bucks that says you can't do the same. I figure you were doing a bit of bench racin' with that comment, but I run against Vette types all the time and there are some fast mofos out there.

JP I'd hate to see what my grandma would do to your time if she drove your car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)


Back to V8 discussion. Its just wrong to put such a crude heavy power plant into an incredibly balanced car that has decades of race heritage. You pretty much end up with a bubba mobile that contstantly needs fix'n. It doesnt take more than looking at Andyrews SCCA video to see him break something after an easy AX run.

..and if I was going to ruin my car with a non Porsche engine I wouldnt consider a V8. I'd probably go with a 250+ HP bike engine.

[J P Stein]

The little old lady from....Santa Cruz? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

I let lotso people AX my car. No ladies have stepped up yet.
You or your grandma can be first. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[grantsfo]

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Aug 21 2005, 06:50 AM)

The little old lady from....Santa Cruz? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) I let lotso people AX my car. No ladies have stepped up yet. You or your grandma can be first.  :D

JP we have a few ladies down here who would drive your car and probably drive it faster than either you or me.

One more thought on SBC. I'm sure Dr. Porsche must be turning over in his grave knowing that people have put iron block V8's in this car. Its wrong in a karma-tic sense as well. I feel ill when I see these 914's butchered with a big clunky V8 protruding into space where it was never intended to be. These cars should only be allowed at the drag strip and banned from any type of motorsports where they come in contact with real Porsches. I just have no tolerance for people who thumb their noses at the convention set by Dr. Porsche and years of racing expereince.

I guess it would be differnt if Dr. Porsche had grown up on a corn farm in the South and almost went blind from drinking moonshine. Maybe then he would have seen the humor in this activity.

[BIGKAT_83]

QUOTE (grantsfo @ Aug 21 2005, 10:59 AM)

[ One more thought on SBC.  I'm sure Dr. Porsche must be turning over in his grave knowing that people have put iron block V8's in this car.  Its wrong in a karma-tic sense as well.  I feel ill when I see these 914's butchered with a big clunky V8 protruding into space where it was never intended to be.  These cars should only be allowed at the drag strip and banned from any type of motorsports where they come in contact with real Porsches.  I just have no tolerance for people who thumb their noses at the convention set by Dr. Porsche and years of racing expereince. I guess it would be differnt if Dr. Porsche had grown up on a corn farm in the South and almost went blind from drinking moonshine.  Maybe then he would have seen the humor in this activity.

He really would turn over in his grave after watching the new Z06 Corvette lap the Nurburg ring faster than any 996 Turbo GT2 Porsche ever has.

This was a stock Corvette on street tires. It set a lap record of 7 mins and 42 sec.

Bob (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[J P Stein]

No shit?
The NW is blessed with a number of female AXers who are SCCA National champs & trophy winners. How many of those do you run against? You would if you did some SCCA.
There was a woman at Mather running a BP 70s Vette beast
that was hella quick....national champ I heard. GGR prolly wouldn't let her run.....and you're are trying to teach me PC?
I can think of one of them up that might be able to pull off what Tom did......she's a former FPL champ in a 914. Given a few passes, I'm sure she could out run me.....but first shot out of the box is a maybe. Tom wasn't even working, he was just showing me his lines.

When you get a six in your car...if you go with my recommendation for the 10:1 deal, you'll find it a very different driving experience.

[J P Stein]

QUOTE (BIGKAT_83 @ Aug 21 2005, 07:24 AM)

This was a stock Corvette on street tires. It set a lap record of 7 mins and 42 sec. Bob (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Damn.
I can remember whem Phil Hill broke 9 minutes is his F1 car....
he broke the lap record by 19 sec.

[grantsfo]

QUOTE (BIGKAT_83 @ Aug 21 2005, 07:24 AM)

QUOTE (grantsfo @ Aug 21 2005, 10:59 AM) [ One more thought on SBC.  I'm sure Dr. Porsche must be turning over in his grave knowing that people have put iron block V8's in this car.  Its wrong in a karma-tic sense as well.  I feel ill when I see these 914's butchered with a big clunky V8 protruding into space where it was never intended to be.  These cars should only be allowed at the drag strip and banned from any type of motorsports where they come in contact with real Porsches.  I just have no tolerance for people who thumb their noses at the convention set by Dr. Porsche and years of racing expereince. I guess it would be differnt if Dr. Porsche had grown up on a corn farm in the South and almost went blind from drinking moonshine.  Maybe then he would have seen the humor in this activity. He really would turn over in his grave after watching the new Z06 Corvette lap the Nurburg ring faster than any 996 Turbo GT2 Porsche ever has. This was a stock Corvette on street tires. It set a lap record of 7 mins and 42 sec. Bob (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Naw Carrera GT put 10 seconds on that junk heap.

[BIGKAT_83]

QUOTE (grantsfo @ Aug 21 2005, 11:40 AM)

[Naw Carrera GT put 10 seconds on that junk heap.

The new Carrera GT is also $475K. Gm is working on a supercharged version of the Z06 with a 200 HP increase with more track ready suspension. This will be a match for the Carrera.
Buy the new supercharged Corvette and with the left over change buy 25 to 30 Toyota Echos and we could all go Auto crossing.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) Bob (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[LvSteveH]

That is only a 2% time differential on a car that is nearly 10% of the cost... that is absolutely astounding. When you consider what it costs to maintain a GT compared to the Vette, it is even more impressive. Too bad I don't like them.

I can just never recall getting that warm and fuzzy feeling after seen a Vette. Imagine what you'd feel like if you spotted a Carrera GT at your local grocery store. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)