/6 conversion, would you do it again? Options

[930cabman]

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1. considering a heat shield between the header/oil cooler
2. -16 oil line fitting is 1/8" from header, dimple header?
3. Large 1/2" or so gap from top of engine tin to rubber gasket

It must end somewhere

If I was doing this for a customer the hours rack up quickly

1. No
2. No
3. Don't worry about that yet.

I like to wrap or sleeve the oil lines from the oil cooler connection back to the oil tank. I have never done it near the oil cooler exit. Keep that open.

Matt

Thanks Matt, nice pics btw

[brant]

All of our lines are sleeved with heat sleeve
Including exiting the cooler

[mate914]

More details:



1. considering a heat shield between the header/oil cooler
2. -16 oil line fitting is 1/8" from header, dimple header?
3. Large 1/2" or so gap from top of engine tin to rubber gasket

It must end somewhere

If I was doing this for a customer the hours rack up quickly

1. No
2. No
3. Don't worry about that yet.

I like to wrap or sleeve the oil lines from the oil cooler connection back to the oil tank. I have never done it near the oil cooler exit. Keep that open.

Matt

Thanks Matt, nice pics btw

Just keep pushing on the project. Small steps every day. This is the six now.

[mate914]

This is the bottom of Mrs. Murphy a track car that spent its last life at the Glenn for years. Car was 100% track car before me. The heat guard/insulation wrapped around the header was the only thing protecting the oil line for a long time. Do I think it’s right or correct, no. But it is an example of what has been done and used.
Matt

[930cabman]

I would call this a necessary tool for assembling the stainless steel braided hoses used with these conversions. Try without the correct tools and see how far you get. I was unaware this existed until I found the information on the Pegasus website. Patrick made no mention of this

[campbellcj]

I would call this a necessary tool for assembling the stainless steel braided hoses used with these conversions. Try without the correct tools and see how far you get. I was unaware this existed until I found the information on the Pegasus website. Patrick made no mention of this

Curious what the actual tool looks like & does. I have a set of aluminum AN wrenches but do not recall using any other tools in particular when I did some of the plumbing on mine.

[brant]

It helps assemble the an fitting into hose fully and without the stab wounds associated with the duct tape method

I’ve built race cars both ways
Wouldn’t go back

[930cabman]

I would call this a necessary tool for assembling the stainless steel braided hoses used with these conversions. Try without the correct tools and see how far you get. I was unaware this existed until I found the information on the Pegasus website. Patrick made no mention of this

Curious what the actual tool looks like & does. I have a set of aluminum AN wrenches but do not recall using any other tools in particular when I did some of the plumbing on mine.

I will get a pic tomorrow, but the tool is basically a funnel to get the hose into the fitting. It's a tight fit and the small stainless steel wires always get in the way

[mepstein]

I would call this a necessary tool for assembling the stainless steel braided hoses used with these conversions. Try without the correct tools and see how far you get. I was unaware this existed until I found the information on the Pegasus website. Patrick made no mention of this

Curious what the actual tool looks like & does. I have a set of aluminum AN wrenches but do not recall using any other tools in particular when I did some of the plumbing on mine.

I will get a pic tomorrow, but the tool is basically a funnel to get the hose into the fitting. It's a tight fit and the small stainless steel wires always get in the way

It makes inserting the hose into the fitting so easy, it’s fun. I could give the tool and a piece of ss hose to my wife and she could fit it in a minute. I showed how they work to a long time race car mechanic and he immediately bought a set. The other tool to buy are hose cutting shears. Sure, you can use a cutting wheel but then you have to clean the hose from all the debris. The shears take seconds, then a half minute using the kool tool and your hoses will look perfect. Definitely worth the money.
When you get the kool tool, you might think it’s a bit pricey for the money. That is until you try it. Genius idea for a pita process.

[Optimusglen]

I've had mine in for a few years now, with trips from Minnesota to Utah and back, and another from Minnesota to Idaho and back, I can say with 90% certainty that I would not do a 6-swap again, but I would likely do a Subaru swap of some sort.

Even now there's a small part of me that wants to pull the 6 out, sell it, and put a Suby in. Only real challenge there is that I cut off the old 4-cyl mounts when I put the 6 in...

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[mepstein]

I've had mine in for a few years now, with trips from Minnesota to Utah and back, and another from Minnesota to Idaho and back, I can say with 90% certainty that I would not do a 6-swap again, but I would likely do a Subaru swap of some sort.

Even now there's a small part of me that wants to pull the 6 out, sell it, and put a Suby in. Only real challenge there is that I cut off the old 4-cyl mounts when I put the 6 in...

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You can still do a bulkhead mount using a Suby smallcar mount and some fab. Much less interference with headers than an engine cradle.

[930cabman]

I've had mine in for a few years now, with trips from Minnesota to Utah and back, and another from Minnesota to Idaho and back, I can say with 90% certainty that I would not do a 6-swap again, but I would likely do a Subaru swap of some sort.

Even now there's a small part of me that wants to pull the 6 out, sell it, and put a Suby in. Only real challenge there is that I cut off the old 4-cyl mounts when I put the 6 in...

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What size/tune did you go with for your conversion?

And it's not enough juice

I removed the /4 mounts also, but would probably not go back to a /4

btw: looks sweet

[gereed75]

Glenn, what are the reasons for your 90% of regret??

[sixnotfour]

Air Cooled - Six.. Type 4 Sale... Water Suby..Chev..

[campbellcj]

It helps assemble the an fitting into hose fully and without the stab wounds associated with the duct tape method

I’ve built race cars both ways
Wouldn’t go back

Lol the mention of stab wounds gave me flashbacks of those many micro needle finger pricks - I'll have to add one of these to my toolbox!


I'm curious too about Glenn or anyone else with degrees of regret. Is it mainly around costs, which I can definitely relate to myself, or other factors?

[mb911]

It helps assemble the an fitting into hose fully and without the stab wounds associated with the duct tape method

I’ve built race cars both ways
Wouldn’t go back

Lol the mention of stab wounds gave me flashbacks of those many micro needle finger pricks - I'll have to add one of these to my toolbox!


I'm curious too about Glenn or anyone else with degrees of regret. Is it mainly around costs, which I can definitely relate to myself, or other factors?

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I am sure it is cost. To that point my bad business sense I look at my parts and price them so I make some but many items net me 10-15% because I look at it from my perspective and how would I want to buy parts for the conversion

[mepstein]

It helps assemble the an fitting into hose fully and without the stab wounds associated with the duct tape method

I’ve built race cars both ways
Wouldn’t go back

Lol the mention of stab wounds gave me flashbacks of those many micro needle finger pricks - I'll have to add one of these to my toolbox!


I'm curious too about Glenn or anyone else with degrees of regret. Is it mainly around costs, which I can definitely relate to myself, or other factors?

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I am sure it is cost. To that point my bad business sense I look at my parts and price them so I make some but many items net me 10-15% because I look at it from my perspective and how would I want to buy parts for the conversion

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) It would be 3X if it was 911 parts. Jimmy T makes an aluminum oil tank for a ‘72 and iirc, it’s $2k.

[Steve]

I've had mine in for a few years now, with trips from Minnesota to Utah and back, and another from Minnesota to Idaho and back, I can say with 90% certainty that I would not do a 6-swap again, but I would likely do a Subaru swap of some sort.

Even now there's a small part of me that wants to pull the 6 out, sell it, and put a Suby in. Only real challenge there is that I cut off the old 4-cyl mounts when I put the 6 in...

What size/tune did you go with for your conversion?

And it's not enough juice

I removed the /4 mounts also, but would probably not go back to a /4

btw: looks sweet

His signature says 2.2. When I had a 2.7 Camrys and most other cars were faster 0-60. Still a 2.7 is the biggest and easiest to install. Backdate the flywheel and bolt it in. I hate KEP clutches. If I was budget constrained I would install a Subi EZ30.

[930cabman]

The Koul is necessary and HF has a set of SAE open wrenches for $60. It has the sizes needed to work the Goodridge fittings.

From what I can tell the lower tank fitting must be tightened when in place in the chassis. I am unable to roll the tank/hose into the fenderwell.

Someone must have a good 12 point crows foot for this fitting, still searching

[mepstein]

I’ve rolled them in with both a stock tank and one of Ben’s. It’s like a 90 degree motion to fit the tank with the hose mounted but works pretty well. Iirc, the hose points to the door and you start the tank in the wheel well ( minus the wheel) then it pivots into place. Ben/MB911 can probably explain better than me. I think I bought a Mac 12 pt crows foot to try but it wasn’t the right solution.
@MB911