 Advice on liquidating projects, what is the best $ return? |
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| J P Stein |
 Oct 11 2005, 01:13 AM
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Irrelevant old fart  Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None  |
Come out to the next PCA AX and you can talk to a fella that blew his 2004 Boxster motor. I trailered the car to his home. Oil pump cooked from oil starvation in hi G corners. Those motors cost half as much cause their worth half as much....but God help ya if they're out of warrantee when they blow. They're prolly Ok if you keep it on the street....prolly. That spec Boxster racin' my be gud if they keep em' on hardball street tires. |
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| MJHanna |
Oct 11 2005, 06:25 AM
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Does this 911 make my butt look big? Group: Members Posts: 806 Joined: 23-January 03 From: Lowry Crossing, Texas Member No.: 185 |
No matter what you do with the race car you’ll lose money if you sell. The rule is that it’s always cheaper to buy one than to do it yourself. So if you completed it and tried to sell it it’s a non proven car that needs to be set-up. Or a chassis with all the goodies then guys say that’s nice but it’s still a chassis. You’ll get more $ back by selling the parts, IE NEW shocks never used etc. Humm as you got new tires that are dry rotting I’ll give you .25 on the dollar for them…. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| nine14cats |
Oct 11 2005, 09:25 AM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Yep...totally understand I will lose money if I sell my stuff. I also understand I will stop losing money if I sell. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
$.25 on the dollar for my tires.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) We'll have to see if I can use them for planters or a swing for our pet monkey... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) Bill P. |
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| Britain Smith |
Oct 11 2005, 10:25 AM
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Nano Member Group: Members Posts: 2,354 Joined: 27-February 03 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 364 |
Bill,
I know what you are going through, I too have been at the point of giving up several times. When you take a step back and loook at all the time and money you have in an uncompleted car and piles of parts it makes you lose site of the path to the end. I just keep telling myself that I don't wanna be one of those people who get so far into a project and then just give up and sell it so someone else can finish it. Also, this car will be unique and be exactly what you want in terms on a race car. Same with my turbo 912 project. If I were you, I would keep going and finish what you started. It might take a little bit longer to finish, oh well! In the end you will have something to go out and have fun in and be able to have some pride in that you did it all by yourself. -Britain |
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| Britain Smith |
Oct 11 2005, 10:26 AM
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Nano Member Group: Members Posts: 2,354 Joined: 27-February 03 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 364 |
(also, did you ship my lug bolts yet? I missed the auto-x this weekend cause I can't mount my fuchs)
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| GTeener |
Oct 11 2005, 10:47 AM
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914 Girl Group: Members Posts: 2,348 Joined: 25-June 04 From: SillyCon Valley Member No.: 2,249 Region Association: Northern California |
Sorry life and your projects are getting ya down, Bill.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) Stay the course with your dream car. Sell the distractions if you must... Maybe Ottmar can turn JLO into a screaming yellow electric teener (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) |
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| GTeener |
Oct 11 2005, 10:49 AM
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914 Girl Group: Members Posts: 2,348 Joined: 25-June 04 From: SillyCon Valley Member No.: 2,249 Region Association: Northern California |
What is a SPEC Boxster? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 11 2005, 11:30 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,935 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
from the english/german dictonary: SPECK = bacon and in a sentence: wie die Made im Speck leben = to live off the fat of the land (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Andy |
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| jonwatts |
Oct 11 2005, 12:01 PM
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no rules, just wrong Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,321 Joined: 13-January 03 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 141  |
A very tiny Boxster like this one (IMG:http://www.shabbir.com/pictures/mbpictures/2003/2003showleipzegporschered.jpg) (would you like any more (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bootyshake.gif) answers?) |
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| nine14cats |
Oct 11 2005, 12:57 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Hi Gwen,
The spec series for Boxster's is a proposed series in SCCA that would give the Boxster's their own class (just like spec Miata). It is based on 1997-1999 Boxster 2.5 liter cars. You can do a few changes to the car (safety cage, H&R type suspension, adjustable swaybars, shocks - NOT PSS9's, 17 inch rims with Dot-R tires in mandated sizes, etc). No engine mods. It is meant to keep racing costs down and competion close. A driver and their ability to tune the suspension is the differentiator. As JP brought up, some folks have seen issues with motors and oiling. I don't know what the occurance rate is. This new group will be out there racing in 2006. The Boxster S spec class may follow in 2007 or 2008. Bill P. |
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| GTeener |
Oct 11 2005, 04:27 PM
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914 Girl Group: Members Posts: 2,348 Joined: 25-June 04 From: SillyCon Valley Member No.: 2,249 Region Association: Northern California |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) regretting that Dad sold his 1998 Boxster this year.
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| 0396 |
Oct 12 2005, 06:26 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,046 Joined: 13-October 03 From: L.A. Calif Member No.: 1,245 Region Association: Southern California |
Bill,
Sorry to hear of your concerns. If your going to sell..what do you want for your 3.6 and 915? - just wondering (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) |
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| Trekkor |
Oct 12 2005, 09:48 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I guess today's the day (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)
Bill, do the right thing (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) KT |
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| ppickerell |
Oct 12 2005, 07:20 PM
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914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246 |
Spec Boxster is going to work for a lot of Husband/Wife AX and even DE/TT co-driving couples. Modern technology in a really well balanced FUN car. I am pretty sure I will allways have a 914, but I now doubt whether it will be our family's primary race car. I can't see my wife in my 914! Have you or your wife ran a Boxster at AX? I may make the November Infineon AX and if you (Bill) want to run one around we can probably talk my wife into it.
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| Twystd1 |
Oct 12 2005, 07:33 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,515 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
Two things...
I know where a 1997 boxtser is .. CHEAP.... In cosmetically and mechanicly good shape. It has Gemballa interior. Nice car for an early model.... I spoke with Brad Roberts last week about several things... I am under the impression he knows a bunch about spec Boxster. Suggest ya mail em or phone him.... Twystd1 |
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| ppickerell |
Oct 12 2005, 08:13 PM
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914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246 |
Cheap would be $10,000. I have seen 97's sell for 12K. Best used sports car bargain around!
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| Twystd1 |
Oct 12 2005, 08:29 PM
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You don't want to know... really..... Group: Members Posts: 2,515 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 2,743 |
I do believe it is about 10 Gs..
If ya want me to homework it for you.. PM me... I will send you the fellows phone number. He is in Buena Park CA. And he is a friend of a friend. The fella seems like a straight up fellow. I have done a little biz with him... he honored his word. I have seen the car... it needs tires.... NOTE..... I don't know a hell of alot about boxters... I probably am not the guy to mechanicly check it out for you..... Just so you know...... Twystd1 |
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| nine14cats |
Oct 13 2005, 01:12 AM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
I had a great, productive meeting with the shop today and we discussed several race car options including The Beast. We talked the full spectrum, including a detailed "Beast" build, plus several other cars I have been looking at that are in various states of completion. We also talked about a nationally known 914-6 that has recently come on the market. This car is highly developed and at the high end of my price range (really high end!) but possible. It runs 1:41's at Sears Point. If anyone has driven Sears, you know that is a really, really fast time. Driver has alot to do with it of course, but the car is sorted and chassis development complete.
Here are the cars I'm looking at minus the one I just mentioned. The shop doesn't have the spec sheet yet, but we expect it in a few days. From lowest cost option to highest cost option, here is what I get to decide: 1973 911 with GT2 Kevlar Bodywork-- this car hands down is the least expensive choice. Ther are several parts on the car I can sell and recoup money. 2100 pounds. With my 3.6 motor and bullt 915, this would be a fun car at the track and auto-x. Older technology, but fun. Attached image(s) 
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| nine14cats |
Oct 13 2005, 01:18 AM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Option #2
2000 996 -- Water Pumper! Believe it or not, this car with a cage, fire system, PSS9's and tires will be a full $15K less than The Beast to complete. It stops and make you think....really....for a tidy sum of $15K LESS than The Beast....I have a car that will easily do 150+MPH. And if I get it...I'll leave the A/C in for cooling me off in the pits. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) What would YOU do?..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) P.S. The cost includes taking care of the dreaded G-Load oil starvation problems. Porsche Motorsport has a fix that works...it's easy and cheap...and VERY similar to a Tuna Can, but much bigger! Attached image(s) 
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| nine14cats |
Oct 13 2005, 01:25 AM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Option #3....The BEAST
On paper this thing should haul ass. Realistically, the 996 would be fast on the track but the 1800lbs 914's driven by the local hot shoes will kick my butt in Auto-x, especially with the courses we run that are so tight they wouldn't pass SCCA. The '74 911 might be competitive because it is much lighter and can turn quicker. But having driven a mid-engine car...it will be awfully tough to get those TTOD's. The BEAST offers the chance to be close to the top in Auto-x and be competitive in a GT spec series. But....it's not quite ready for prime time. And it is the most expensive option to have completed for me. Here is a picture of The BEAST in approxiamate stage of tuning.... Attached image(s) 
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