please, please help!, oil filter/oil change problem Options

[grasshopper]

hey john, i have an oil filter housing. If you want it, PM me.

[shaggy]

how can i get my oil filter assembly off?

i have taken off the belt tensioner for me ac and taken out the engine mount bar
and i still cant reach the nut on the top of the oil filter assembly

if i could loosen the oil cooler and move it vertically about 1/2 an inch i wuld be able to get a wrench in there to take it off

is that even possible to do?
do i have to drop the engine?

the car is a '72 1.7

[McMark]

I just checked my "spare" motors and there is absolutely positively no way you're getting that top nut off with the impeller housing in place. You'll have to remove it. The oil cooler can stay. You just need to remove the impeller housing. You can do it with the engine in the car. You must remove the front engine tin, remove the fan bolts, remove the four nuts holding the housing on and pull it out of the way enough to reach the top oil console nut. PITA, but do-able.

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (McMark @ Oct 30 2005, 10:18 PM)

I just checked my "spare" motors and there is absolutely positively no way you're getting that top nut off with the impeller housing in place. You'll have to remove it. The oil cooler can stay. You just need to remove the impeller housing. You can do it with the engine in the car. You must remove the front engine tin, remove the fan bolts, remove the four nuts holding the housing on and pull it out of the way enough to reach the top oil console nut. PITA, but do-able.

Thanks Mark, (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

What do you think of the "die idea" for cleaning up the threads?

John (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

[Cap'n Krusty]

Yet ANOTHER instance of WAGuessing and speculation. I've never seen a filter console spontaneously fail, and I've been wrenching on 914s for close to 33 years. Put some oil in it, jack the thing up, and have someone crank it over (coil point wire unplugged) while you actually LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ENGINE! Novel idea, right? You could actually figure out where the leak is! REALLY! Then, and only then, you should ask this list what is the most time/cost effective way to repair it. As Joe Friday often said, "just the facts, ma'am". People are telling you to clean the threads on the filter pipe, yet you clearly told us the filter spun on easily. They're condemning the Bosch filter, yet you've used 2 different new ones. How likely are they to both be bad? BTW, "3402" is NOT a Bosch part number, so, right off the bat, we have erroneous information, not facts. In addition, the instructions printed on most quality filters read something like "Tighten by hand, 1/4 turn past the point where the filter is seated." Your wrench COULD have damaged the filter. The Cap'n

[Aaron Cox]

its a pretty vital part...... just get a spare from someone and replace it.

[scruz914]

QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Oct 31 2005, 08:39 AM)

Put some oil in it, jack the thing up, and have someone crank it over (coil point wire unplugged) while you actually LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ENGINE!

I agree with the Cap'n. You should be able to detect where the oil is coming from by cranking the engine over. You should also double check the seat on the oil filter housing. I have seen old o-rings still attached that look like they are part of the housing. Make sure the old o-ring is on the old filter, but check the housing anyway. You should really try and find out the source of the leak before going to the trouble of removing the oil housing, fan shroud, or engine. Once you remove any of those things it becomes more diffcult to find the source of a leak. From your description of the problem it sounds like the oil light went on immediately. This indicates that there is no pressure from the start and a fairly big gap in the oil system. There is something about the first time you change the oil on a different car that you are pretty much guaranteed to have at least one problem.

Since the weekend has come and gone you must have taken the Lincoln on your date. Although I can appreciate why you would want to drive the 914 on a date, my preference would be the Lincoln. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

-Jeff

[ws91420]

Capn the Bosch 3402 is a filter sold at a FLAPS (Auto Zone to be specific). Made by someone else with the Bosch blessing. Good filter and I had no problem with them on mine. But I agree on actually looking to see where it i coming from before doing anything to it.

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Oct 31 2005, 07:39 AM)

Yet ANOTHER instance of WAGuessing and speculation.  I've never seen a filter console spontaneously fail, and I've been wrenching on 914s for close to 33 years.  Put some oil in it, jack the thing up, and have someone crank it over (coil point wire unplugged) while you actually LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ENGINE!  Novel idea, right?  You could actually figure out where the leak is!  REALLY!  Then, and only then, you should ask this list what is the most time/cost effective way to repair it.  As Joe Friday often said, "just the facts, ma'am".  People are telling you to clean the threads on the filter pipe, yet you clearly told us the filter spun on easily.  They're condemning the Bosch filter, yet you've used 2 different new ones.  How likely are they to both be bad?  BTW, "3402" is NOT a Bosch part number, so, right off the bat, we have erroneous information, not facts.  In addition, the instructions printed on most quality filters read something like "Tighten by hand, 1/4 turn past the point where the filter is seated."  Your wrench COULD have damaged the filter.  The Cap'n

Cap'n, the word is that after close visual inspection, the filter spin-on nipple is cross-threaded. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)


I have not seen it, it is Shaggy's [Jim's] thing to resolve. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)


I feel fairly sure based on eyewitness reports that the cross-threading is at the heart of the problem.


Shaggy, (my nearly eighteen-year-old, son) did his first oil change, boffed it and he knows it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)


My means of teaching young people is to let them resolve problems themselves, with only advice, up to the point of failure, whereupon I remove myself from "reserve" and then take a more "hands-on" approach.

I hold myself in "reserve" for two reasons:

1. It keeps me from getting greasy. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif)

2. The young people seem to learn more. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)

You can be assured that when Shaggy gets back from school today the FIRST thing he will do is climb under that car for the "oil-in-the-face" drill.....

He never did it, as I never advised him to (that is where I depend on you'all).
I never claimed my advice was any good..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

I am now told that a certain young person theaded on the filter with an oil filter wrench (the sorta, socket-on-the- end-of-the-filter kind) and it went on like "butter".

I am surprised as Jim has quite a bit of mechanical experience and understood what a cross-thread was....

It is the correct filter as it was compared to the one he removed ----exact match-----.

The word from under the car is that the threads look redeemable, I am currently recommending that as a solution...

Comments?

Questions?

Suggestions?

best wishes and clean dishes,
John

P.S. Jim and I are having a fun time with the cars, he has fixed many things on the 72' car (some that needed to be fixed, some that did not) and I commend his ambition though "funding" and "watching" it can be a challange.

[SLITS]

The threads are an integral part of the housing, not just a nipple like on some cars.

Drop the engine and replace it. You may clean up the threads enough to get it on, but you still have almost "stripped" threads and once you try to tighten the filter, the threads may "pull".

How many housings do you want John (or little John - Shaggy).

My opinion only....others may disagree, but I'm Ssssssssssssssslits and don't give a ......

[Aaron Cox]

QUOTE (SLITS @ Oct 31 2005, 11:08 AM)

The threads are an integral part of the housing, not just a nipple like on some cars. Drop the engine and replace it. You may clean up the threads enough to get it on, but you still have almost "stripped" threads and once you try to tighten the filter, the threads may "pull". How many housings do you want John (or little John - Shaggy). My opinion only....others may disagree, but I'm Ssssssssssssssslits and don't give a ......

agreed. pull the motor and replace the piece. if anything, it will show you how the motor comes out. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

a local german shop might have the gasket for it....

AA

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Oct 31 2005, 10:16 AM)

QUOTE (SLITS @ Oct 31 2005, 11:08 AM) The threads are an integral part of the housing, not just a nipple like on some cars. Drop the engine and replace it.  You may clean up the threads enough to get it on, but you still have almost "stripped" threads and once you try to tighten the filter, the threads may "pull". How many housings do you want John (or little John - Shaggy). My opinion only....others may disagree, but I'm Ssssssssssssssslits and don't give a ...... agreed. pull the motor and replace the piece. if anything, it will show you how the motor comes out. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) a local german shop might have the gasket for it.... AA

Rat Farts!!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif)

There is nothing Jim would like more that to pull that motor out of that car! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

Slits the "sidewalk, fixem' in the dirt" mechanico is saying replace time.....(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

This is not good.....


Juan

P.S. I was just leaving with Laurie for Flagstaff to do a "cake" (in the 914) service call, Jim has a half-day today and the engine bar is already out.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

[SLITS]

Sorry, you can try the "cleaning thread" method and see if the filter holds...........

It may very well be just fine...........but..................

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (SLITS @ Oct 31 2005, 10:08 AM)

The threads are an integral part of the housing, not just a nipple like on some cars. Drop the engine and replace it.  You may clean up the threads enough to get it on, but you still have almost "stripped" threads and once you try to tighten the filter, the threads may "pull". How many housings do you want John (or little John - Shaggy). My opinion only....others may disagree, but I'm Ssssssssssssssslits and don't give a ......

Yep (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

I had in my mind that the die thing would work because there would not be a great "load" beside compressing the gasket.


I hadn't thought that we may need to change the oil on the car a few more times...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

spacious, my head, sometimes,


Juan

[Brando]

Hows the engine dropping going? Pictures? Updates? Was the filter housing really the cause?

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (Brando @ Oct 31 2005, 11:59 AM)

Hows the engine dropping going? Pictures? Updates? Was the filter housing really the cause?

Shaggy has not returned from school yet.

John

[Brando]

Well, what are you doing home at this time... don't you work? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (Brando @ Oct 31 2005, 12:04 PM)

Well, what are you doing home at this time... don't you work? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Not really, mostly employed..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)

John

[Brando]

Heheh, same here. I should be at the p-car shop today but I get a hospital visit instead (yay!) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

[SLITS]

QUOTE (Brando @ Oct 31 2005, 02:05 PM)

Heheh, same here. I should be at the p-car shop today but I get a hospital visit instead (yay!) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

Finally going in for that sex change consulatation........Aaron will be overjoyed!