Titanium Connecting Rods, Pumping people for info. Options

[MattR]

QUOTE (TimT @ Feb 10 2006, 06:19 PM)

The Pankl rod is a consumable, according to PMNA, 40 hours out and into the scrap pile...

Are these for the RS?

[TimT]

Ya they are out of a car that raced at Le Mans

[SGB]

fascinating. I feel like I'm in school again. Only this school is about cool stuff!

[MattR]

A quick google search... thats a TRG car? Do you know John?

[Twystd1]

Alpha.

Try giving these guys a call.

These guys

OR:

DLC: Diamond Like Coatings

I am still trying to find someone in Colorado that knows more data.

And yea... I will have eats with you and your boss. Dam right....

Now get those suckers made and lets see if they blow up or not.

By the way...What kind of valve train are you guys running that is light enough to handle a 8K+ consistently.

What lifters?
What rockers?
Push rods?
Basic cam specs.
Spring heighth and spring pressures
Your first born. Etc....

If your boss says you can share that data. I am interested in it.
Simply because it might have some carry over into our type 4 world.

Especially any technology that allows us CSOB to gain a bit of horse power and/or longevity out of our stroker or large engines.

The stockers seem to last just fine if assembled well. And most of us can't afford a Pro built engine.
And some of us (ME) just like to do it ourselves in the name of machanical interest and my own ego. (Which is almost as big as Aaron's)


So if ya have anything for us... bring it on.. if not...

Just giterdone.

Any technology that you have, that can be shared here is good for the team.

Twystd1

[alpha434]

Hehe. The valve train is actually somewhat stock.

But you wouldn't know if I showed it to you. The springs he uses are NLA, so we're down to whats left in his private stock to use. Lifters are stock, weight reduced. The rockers have so many god damn holes drilled in them its not even funny. Ok it is.

But thats what really goes into a race car. LOTS of time and effort. No room for half assing it.

Most of the things that we do with the 356s I will be applying to a prototype IV engine. HIYA! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif)

I JUST got pictures of porsche factory Ti rods. MADE by porsche factory for their 2.0L engine. This was stated by Bruce Anderson, who is an expert on 911s.

Shape is dead nuts exactly the same. The factory Ti rods have a 100 hour limit. H-shaped.

I'm ready to start blowing stuff up. I'll be getting to that ppoint here, soon.

[alpha434]

If you're really serious about that stuff, then pm me. I'm sick of people calling me an idiot over this kinda stuff. I might even give you the specs for the final connecting rod design. But people have been spending a LOT of time laughing at me over the past few weeks.

[J P Stein]

QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 11 2006, 02:01 AM)

If you're really serious about that stuff, then pm me. I'm sick of people calling me an idiot over this kinda stuff. I might even give you the specs for the final connecting rod design. But people have been spending a LOT of time laughing at me over the past few weeks.

You're gonna have to find your own way of communicating so as not to sound like an idiot. ....I'm still working on that, but if I figure it out, I'll let you know. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

I never laugh at anyone who's getting paid to do something they love to do. Now, those of us who aren't getting paid to bust our asses on off the wall stuff... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[Thorshammer]

Maybe I am lost here but is the journey to build a ti rod IN HOUSE or is the result to have a light weight TI rod for a project.????

As for TI, to machine a Ti rod one needs a Ti forging, a piece of billet won't get the job done. Don't ask me how I know!

I have used crower Ti con rods for years with much more life than 40 hours. They will make any con rod in Ti very reasonably. If the journey is not the idea, and the result is, then call Crower, you will have them in 5 weeks. And a Ti Rod must have an upper end bushing. Crower uses some sort of surface treatment on their Ti rods.

Erik Madsen

[Mueller]

QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 11 2006, 03:01 AM)

I'm sick of people calling me an idiot over this kinda stuff.

no one's called you an idiot, but you cannot come across as an expert and then ask

QUOTE

What's a net shaped forging?

....being in the machining industry, that should be common knowledge, maybe you were kidding, it just didn't come across that way (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)


Erik,

GRP, a Denver, CO. company, maker of billet titanium connecting rods

[alpha434]

....has little criss-crosses in them..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)

Yes kidding.

[cnavarro]

Chris, I like your use of radial serration. Must be hell on those cutters! Sure have some kick ass tooling around there, that's for sure. I've never seen it applied to anything other than an aluminum rod since there's really no way to rebuild them. But I guess that doesn't matter considering in the scenario we're discussing they are disposable items anyways.

[Twystd1]

So Alpha,

Whats new on the rod thang???

Did any of the links or data we gave ya help on getting your rods done?

Twystd1