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Jeroen
post Oct 20 2003, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(acox914 @ Oct 20 2003, 10:23 PM)
ouch $475!

They're not that price actually...
Compare them to the Weltscheister bars @ $300 + $100 for the adj. droplinks
Then you only have a $75 difference and the quality of the Taretts is much better
(although they're not as nice as the SmartRacing bars, but those are in another price league)

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post Oct 20 2003, 02:35 PM
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I know pics are deceiving (esp. of tires) but it almost looks like you're running + camber on the fronts. The shoulders look really rounded off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I can take a pic of my Hoosiers for comparison when I get home, if I have a moment.
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post Oct 20 2003, 02:36 PM
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The drive home really hurt the appearance of the surface since the contact with the pavement will be different unless you drove home like you drove at the track!!!??? That's why the contact patch looks different than where the rubber has built up. What were the temps across the face of the tire? Finally, what were the tire pressures hot front and rear and were you getting any roll over onto the sidewalls? If possible, next time get some temps and pictures right in the hot pits by an assistant or even yourself.
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post Oct 20 2003, 02:52 PM
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Up front: did you get some negative camber dialed out of the front??? Always tought that you have a neg camber monster (-2 or more).

Can't figure out how why the front inside seems like it's doing nothing. Tire roll? Camber?.

I got the opposite one mine this summer. 3 days (300 minutes) and a drive back, font inside looked like my (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) . Had alot of front camber and to much toe in!

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post Oct 20 2003, 04:10 PM
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which compound of hoosiers(?) are these?
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post Oct 20 2003, 05:40 PM
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JP; other than the one picture that shows very little wear on the inside, your tires look pretty much like my Hoosiers. It appears you didn't warm them up too much on the ride home or they would be cleaner. That's a good thing since driving Hoosiers on the street can be an expensive habit. I'm getting about 12 heat cycles from mine before they start letting me know they don't want to do this anymore.
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post Oct 20 2003, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(Jeroen @ Oct 20 2003, 01:32 PM)
Weltscheister

i'm not sure if a lot of people here on this board will get that subtle hint ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

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post Oct 20 2003, 06:26 PM
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I get it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
In Perf. Products new catalog, they are selling a Welmeister sway bar that looks identical to the Tarret bar. What up with that?
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post Oct 20 2003, 06:54 PM
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welt - sheister.... that's a knee slapper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (sarcastic laugh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol3.gif) )
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post Oct 20 2003, 07:55 PM
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like f.i., a black art to me. how many $ per mile?

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post Oct 20 2003, 08:03 PM
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I think Welt. (or whoever owns the name Welt.) has been buying other products and re-labeling them as thier own (legally of course)

Cheaper for them to do this then shell out the money for new product devolopment.

I'm just waiting for them to want to sell my needle bearing kits (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'll get Weltmiester laser etched on them if they buy enough (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Oct 20 2003, 08:40 PM
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Hoosier R3SO3s. 35 psi cold rising to 39psi hot. -2 camber both ends.
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post Oct 20 2003, 09:20 PM
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I'd say the pressures are too high, but then again I always say that I =guess if they are much over 28#.It appears some of the rubber is being scrubbed from the groves and is built up next to the at the side. That could be from the tires slipping from the high pressure? It's a "black art"
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post Oct 21 2003, 02:18 AM
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These tires have .....humm....over 120 AX passes on em'. I run a bit less pressure at the AXs, 31-33psi and try to keep them there. I do believe that the track day was the first time they were "heat cycled".

They will last me for the first few AXs next season, me thinks......till the tire fund is built up some. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 21 2003, 07:56 AM
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That's the pressure Hoosier recommends, 31 - 35 cold, 39 - 41 hot. If you get the tires to 180 deg on the AX that's a heat cycle. If not I'm not sure that this tire compound is doing you much good since they feel pretty slippery to me until they heat up.
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post Oct 21 2003, 12:28 PM
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You're right, they are pretty slippery on the first couple runs. I bought this compound because of the dual drivers. I wasn't sure if the "A" compound would last thru a season.

The hottest temps I saw at AX were 135 deg...inside rears....fronts were 120 all across. *With a good driver* the car was a threat for TTOD at local SCCA.
The best *I* could manage was top 20ish.

Next season I'll go with an AX compound....Hoosier or Kuhmo.....and learn to drive mo better. I also have a few suspension tweaks in mind....just to keep me busy this winter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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