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raynekat
Bought a 71 1.7 liter today.

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Car is in relatively good shape as far as I can tell.
Likely some hell hole and rear portion of the back trunk rust repair needed, but appears to be minor.
Time will tell.

My current plans are to get the fuel system and FI sorted out (me).
It cranks over, but doesn't start.
Then go through the brakes from stem to stern (PMB).
After that....drive it.

The original color is light ivory, but has had a repaint in pearl white years ago.
Will get the body work done and do a proper respray.
I've already got a set of 15x6.5" Minilites to install.
The suspension will get a good going over....likely Elephant Racing setup.
Re-do the interior with a more supportive driver's seat.
Refreshed gauges (Hollywood Speedo) in 356 fashion.
Double wrapped RS steering wheel.
GT lightwt door panels.

Eventually, a bigger four will power the car.
Would like to keep it all 4 cylinder for the time being.
I've already got a 911 sitting in the garage that tics all the 911 boxes off.

I'll keep a log of the progress here with pics.
This is a big, big project.....no doubt.
Big Len
I like the pearl!! Best of luck with it.

Post more pics when you can (I love pics).
TargaToy
Beautiful car, man! Congrats!!
Cairo94507
Congratulations and it seems like you have a nice plan.
wndsnd
Nice car!

John
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Mueller
Nice...the Panasports are going to look great!
cary
http://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/idle.htm

Bedside reading ....................
Coming tomorrow night?
PanelBilly
Where'd you find the car? Looks good from here
Montreal914
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Good looking 914! For what you plan being a big big project, seems like a very good start. smile.gif

...And from the looks of it, you might have been infected by with our disease... assimilate.gif

As you probably know, plenty of good support on this forum. aktion035.gif

Good luck with your project driving.gif
raynekat
Well....starting looking at what I have a little closer today.
Very solid car for a '71.
But I think it spent most of its life in California....so I'm hoping very little rust.

I do see a new rear floor in the rear trunk.
Right now it's all painted black, so I'm sure there's rust issues there.
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Also see the corners of the front windshield will need a little work as I see rust stains in the front trunk up under the dash. Nothing horrible, but it will definitely need to be addressed.

I've been told by the previous owner that the hell looks good except for a small quarter size hole that's already been repaired. I'll improve upon it.
raynekat
You're seeing some of the Euro lens that came on the car.
Front and rear nice.

raynekat
So far all the rubber is like Kryptonite....or maybe granite is a better descriptor.
I'll be getting all new rubber for the car obviously.

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raynekat
Some more pics of the exterior.

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raynekat
Or interior....

Wow....it's difficult to add pics to this thread.

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raynekat
My plans are to do these instruments....

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Ala 356 style.
raynekat
And these kind of seats...

Probably go identical driver/passenger later style 914.
GT type.
With the cool green tartan plaid.
And just carpet the rear firewall....cause my firewall upholstery is kind of old and mucked up.

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hey....I'm getting better at adding these pics into the thread. Nice....
raynekat
I'll do a set of the cool fiberglass/balsa wood front and rear deck lids from Aase just to keep the car light weight.

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Along with the two toned front bumper.

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raynekat
So I'm thinking about a narrow body GT that is still all 914-4.

Later will come a nice 901 with limited slip and some good gear ratios.

And a nice big block 4 cylinder....something in the range of 2.5-2.8 that is either carbed or FI'd with a good header going thru a Phase 9 muffler.

Engine will be done by either Jake Raby or Fat Performance (any thoughts in either way?) looking at around 175hp.

raynekat
I love this car....


How close I get to it remains to be seen.
It's pretty radical.
I'd like a nice fun street driver.

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raynekat
I've just bought these wheels....

They are Minilites at 6.5x15 size.
I'll put a good sticky, hi po street tire on it.

These cars give me inspiration.... for sure.

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raynekat
Just lookin' to build a killer 4 cylinder 914 that is factory race look.

I'll show you what I've got in mind over the coming months.

BTW....this was my attempt with a 911.

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jmz
I love it Doug!! We're on the same page here. I'm just further down the road in many respects but too far in others. ...I have to make mine a little more touring and a bit less racing.



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QUOTE(raynekat @ Feb 12 2015, 11:43 PM) *

I love this car....


How close I get to it remains to be seen.
It's pretty radical.
I'd like a nice fun street driver.

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ME TOO! I kind of hope I can tone mine that I just bought down towards something close to this.
mepstein
QUOTE(raynekat @ Feb 13 2015, 12:28 AM) *

My plans are to do these instruments....

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Ala 356 style.

I've planned to do a green gauge car for a while. Great choice! Unfortunately, not cheap.
mepstein
The early cars are my favorites. I'd like to figure out a cable shift for the tail shifter.
SKL1
Gotta love '71's! Had mine since new... looks pretty "stock" but has had MANY mods over the years! Probably best is conversion to side shifter with a Rennshift and OEM 914-6 suspension and brake upgrade to 5 bolt and Fuchs. Luckily I did that back in the mid '70's when you find all the parts pretty easily.


BTW, love the Minilites!!
jack20
I guess I'm the only reader who noticed the Vespa against the wall in picture #1. 150, GS...?
I like the 356 instrument idea. Aren't they a bit smaller than the OEM for the 914?
raynekat
QUOTE(jack20 @ Jun 8 2016, 10:49 PM) *

I guess I'm the only reader who noticed the Vespa against the wall in picture #1. 150, GS...?
I like the 356 instrument idea. Aren't they a bit smaller than the OEM for the 914?


It's actually a P125X (1982) that I restored a couple of years ago. Upgraded the engine to a 165cc with a 1969 Camaro color (Hugger Orange) and everything works. Yeah it needs some air in the back tire.

Fun ride but scary above 45mph with those really small wheels (10"). I've actually got a 1962 VNB to restore as well with 8" wheels....wow.

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raynekat
So Cary picked up my chassis this past week, and he'll begin working on it after the 4th as he's still finishing up on Mark's car.

The car has been hit in the back so needs a new rear end and rear trunk floor. Also the back portions of the floor pans will need replacing....likely the rear window was leaking as the gasket was as hard as a brick back there.

Both jack plates need replacing but the "longs" look good as does the hell hole. Further digging by Cary will either confirm or refute this.

In addition, there is some corrosion in the cowl area where the windshield spacers were along the lower part....if that makes sense.

Otherwise, a pretty good chassis.

Cary will show some pics as he attacks this car with his usual fervor.

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raynekat
So I spent most of 2015....here and there....tearing the car completely apart.
I was out of the country from Jan-Apr 2016, so haven't had that much time to work on the car.

But I have been going through some of the different subsystems and refreshing or buying NOS or better used parts than I currently had.

For instance....

Had some of the hardware replated by Shaun of Tru6 from the Early 911 S Registry.
Artful work he does if that's what you want....and I did.

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I've got another big batch going to his soon.
He does both the yellow and clear zinc coating.
Perfection for sure...

raynekat
I sourced a 2.4 T MFI motor from Australia of all places.
The engine originally came from the US.
Supposedly low miles....yada yada.
Not so sure about that, but it had the 7R case and all the MFI components.
So I was in.
Real adventure shipping it from Australia to the US.
Took about 6 months by boat, tough to get all the paperwork done, customs, EPA, you name it.
A royal PITA...but it finally arrived by plane from LA into Portland.

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raynekat
Of course, you'd have to have the mouse nest sitting on top of the cylinders to be complete.

And the dead mouse as well.

Guess he got free shipping and airfare around the globe a couple of times.
Air miles?

Good thing we didn't try to fire this engine up.
Would have ran hot for sure.

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raynekat
MFI requires a CDI unit, so I sourced a used one that was unknown condition.

Out to Parts Klassic it went.
All the ancient electronics were removed and replaced by modern solid state electronics.
Bought their matching coil and wiring harness made for Pertronix ignition.

The hope is for better reliability and performance/starting manners.

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raynekat
NOS lens and reflectors off of Ebay Germany with some fresh paint and replating of hardware made the driving lights looks much better.

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cary
The day has finally come to start on Doug's car. Best we can tell it's a pretty solid car. But we won't know the truth until all the paint comes off.

The parts that are here on site were unloaded and labeled.

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Initial list :

1. Replace rear tail light panel with donor.
2. Replace rear half of trunk floor. With removable heat shield
3. Install 6 motor mount
4. Cut out holes for 6 oil tank
5. Replace back portion of floorboard
6. Make passenger seat adjustable like later cars
7. Install fiberglass wood framed GT hoods
8. Make minor seal channel rust repairs on both doors.
9. See if we can do some rust repairs on both valances

Plan is to have the car stripped here on site. History has it, the list will probably get a little longer after it's stripped.

So time to dive in the deep end. I take a few minutes to survey the donor tail light panel. The rusted off trunk panel is a little concerning at first glance.

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Here's why we're changing out the tail light panel and the rear half of trunk.

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The rusty old trunk came out/off without any issues.
Added 7/7/2106

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So on to removing the qtr. panel corners. Once again I'm using Rick's grind down and pop off spot weld removal technique. I've given it my own twist. To eliminate as much damage as I can to the piece/panel we're going to reuse. I cut down the welds on the side that will be discarded with the 3" die grinder on a mandrel. Like so ...............

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I did drill an 1/8" hole in each spot weld to make sure I didn't miss any spot welds. This section is 3 layers thick in places.

Once again, to eliminate potential damage I take things out in 2-3 inches sections. You can see the remaining section of the rusty old trunk floor next to the support.

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At the end of the day it came out relatively easy. A couple nicks, cuts and tears to weld up. But it's in good shape.

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Tomorrow I'll get out the steam cleaner and get all the grease cleaned off. Then maybe I'll blast the paint off. That will be followed by getting the torch out to remove the corner tail light brazing.

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cary
Plan is to work on Doug's car thru the end of next week. I'm off for 2 weeks while my new boss takes a 2 week vacation in France. He'll be watching some of our engines and transmission perform at the Le mans Classic.

After that I'll work 2-3 days per week on one car. Then 2-3 days the next week on the other car. Basically working 20 hours per week at my shop and 24 at Rothsport.
Frankvw
that replated hardware pics...a spot-the-difference puzzle :-)
really cool pics and took some time to create, I guess that was your way of checking that all was there after the replating. Otherwise you have some disorder to do that :-) nice job !
raynekat
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that replated hardware pics...a spot-the-difference puzzle :-)
really cool pics and took some time to create, I guess that was your way of checking that all was there after the replating. Otherwise you have some disorder to do that :-) nice job !


Actually the "plater project manager" did that.
I think it was his way of keeping track of all the parts so none were lost.
You're right tho....fun set of pics.
Cairo94507
Excellent thread. I like what I see so far.
mepstein
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QUOTE(Frankvw @ Jul 6 2016, 11:27 PM) *

that replated hardware pics...a spot-the-difference puzzle :-)
really cool pics and took some time to create, I guess that was your way of checking that all was there after the replating. Otherwise you have some disorder to do that :-) nice job !


Actually the "plater project manager" did that.
I think it was his way of keeping track of all the parts so none were lost.
You're right tho....fun set of pics.

A lot of the better plating shops do before and after pics just to make sure every thing matches up inventory wise. Our parts may be cheap but some other project parts are unibtanium.
cary
I decide its time to start using the plasma cutter for the cutting tasks its designed for.
Steve, one of my co-workers at Rothsport said changing the tip every time you use it is the primary issue I've been having. Easy Deal ....................

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Big bite .........................

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I discover that a portion of the tow hook brace is missing on the donor panel. I'll need to cut it off the original tail light panel piece.

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There's a couple wicked welds were the tube is welded to the support frame. I'll have to see if I can delicately cut them out with new plasma cutting skills.
cary
Then on to removing the exhaust shield from the old trunk panel.

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Then I discover that the last person that removed the exhaust shield didn't have a MIG welder. The supports were brazed to the bottom of the trunk panel.
So they have to be separated with a torch.

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Get that done and then run the stand offs thru the bead blaster. They'll need a little refurbishing.

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Then I decide that the exhaust shield needs to be taken outside and sand blasted. It's filthy. Covered in oil and dirt.

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After the dirt and oil are removed it looks like its been beat on with a hammer.

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I did remove all the odds and ends off the old tail light panel. You never know what one might need in the future.

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cary
We did extract the other hole plug. Have the template ready to go.
I think I'll pick up the compass gadget for the plasma cutter.

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cary
Monday AM :

Pulled out the torch cart and started with the remainder of the left tail light panel.

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The car had been hit in the rear and been poorly repaired on the past. The entire tail light panel was brazed in, not welded.

Then started working my way around the remainder of the trunk panel.

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Then on to removing the center reinforcement panel.

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Making my way into the right corner. We're finding the inner fender above the trunk panel is pretty wrinkled on both sides.

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I may look at cutting both back corners out of my parts car. We need the fender support straps too.

End of the day ......................... got farther than I thought I would.

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Doug stopped by to check on the progress and go out to lunch.
raynekat
Nice job Cary.
You're developing "mad" skills as they say.
Mostly patience....which I would be in low supply I think.
Thanks for your great work.
cary
Came in this am and did some more examining of the wrinkles in the trunk corners and some magnetic testing on the qtr. panels.

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While I'm digesting my research I begin removing the corner braces and refurnishing them.
This time I run into lead and brazing.

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After finishing the corner braces I move onto the exhaust stand offs. Three or four needed some welding, but pretty simple stuff. All drilled and ready for welding on the nuts in the am.

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I decided before I start cutting on the trunk I'll sand down the back corners of the qtr. panels to check the less than stellar previous workmanship. From the inside of the fender it feels like the previous shop didn't own a hammer and dolly. mad.gif Which means we have quite a bit of filler. Lazy ........... But only dimples, no creases.
Mark stopped by so I ran out of time and sunshine .................

Super In Law finished up the rack and we filled it up.

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We'll need to create a wall racks for the valances. They're too wide. But other than that it turned out great.
cary
Short day ...................spent the am at Rothsport doing a little housekeeping.

Got there after an early lunch and rolled her outside for some media blasting.
Looks like we'll be needing a couple lower back qtr. panel corners.

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Mud in the dimples ....................

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Right side, not much better.

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Filled with mud, rather than repairing.

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Better shot of how rippled the left fender is.

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Now that I can see the entirety of the inside corners I think I should be able to doctor them up. I'll start with hammer and dolly and see if we can make them presentable.
In the end they get completely smothered in seam sealer.

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I'll let Doug look for some qtr. panel patches and I'll get back to the trunk and tail light panel.
Edit : Forgot we can cut the right one off my parts car. Left was butchered for a flare install that never happened.
raynekat
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I'll let Doug look for some qtr. panel patches and I'll get back to the trunk and tail light panel.


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