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914_teener
For those in the position of having a non-functional or failing distributor there is an alternative.
I ran into this issue while building a stock 2.0 motor for my car- while trying to source parts for what I thought was a functional stock distributor.
The link is here for information: http://123ignitionusa.com.
I talked to Ed ......he is based in Ohio and he said he would do group buy discounts if others were interested.

Details:

914 models are available in the following configurations:
1. Hardcoded advance curves with no vacuum, no bluetooth, with no output for D-Jet. Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
2. Hardcoded advance curves with vacuum, no bluetooth, with no output for D-Jet Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
3. Hardcoded advance curves with no vacuum, no bluetooth, with output for D-Jet This is the unit to choose for stock D-Jet users.
4. Custom bluetooth tunable advance curves with vacuum, with bluetooth, with no output for D-Jet. This is the best unit for carbs, L-Jet, aftermarket FI
5. Custom laptop tunable advance curves with vacuum, no bluetooth, with no output for D-Jet. Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.

Coupon Code to use at checkout is: 914world
Group Buy discount is 10% off retail on any product I offer. If there are more than 10 orders the discount becomes 15% and the additional 5% will be refunded to the cc of the first ten orders.
This group buy is for shipping to any address Con US.

The group buy will run for three weeks and orders will all ship 7-10 days after the close (Nov 10).
Place all orders NOW using the coupon code, and that puts you 'on the list' but your part won't ship until mid-November.




I.ll keep the thread bumped for a couple of weeks to measure or collect interest.

Rob

10-22-2017 Edit: -Rob

Here is the confirmed ...by me....orders that we have. Mark D. (McMark) was kind enough to edit some clarifications for the type of Dizzy to get. You are ultimately responsible...that way we all learn at least something. beerchug.gif

Here is the count I have:

TJB/914 -1
914_teener-1
Philip W.-1
pvollma-1

Amphicar770-1

BeatNavy-1
nditiz1-1

CMONNETT-1

Bsherrard-1

olsib914-1

pete000-1 ( Met Pete at Luftenkult) I'll vouch for him.

Morrie-1


I count 12 if for interest only, so if true that would be 15% discount off list. This will be great comparing notes on performance.
mmichalik
Guys,

Although I'm not in need of one now, I do have a lot of experience with this particular distributor setup in my e10 and they are well worth the money.

They are programmable, exceptionally well made, blue-tooth compatible and bring a night-and-day noticeable difference to your motor.

If you're on the fence, I would highly recommend you take the step. If you hadn't thought about it yet, I would highly recommend you take the step.

It's money well spent.

Mike
pete000
I am interested, but only in the Bluetooth programmable model.

Keep me in the loop.
Mueller
Any model of just the D-jet version you posted?

Dr Evil
Wow! If they had one for a corvair motor I would jump in. Cool product.
Millerwelds
One key feature with these is they replace the old school NLA fuel injection trigger points with an electric pulse. Way more modern and consistent signal.

Also the Bluetooth version can be set to require a code before it will allow the car to be started. A cool security feature.

I have been wanting one for a while now and will commit to the group buy for sure.

Jump on board everyone! Read the reviews from other cars /engines too. This is a killer set up. beerchug.gif
914_teener
QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 18 2017, 11:05 AM) *

Any model of just the D-jet version you posted?



Good question....I.ll ask.

Racer Chris
I'm in for one, maybe two.
olsib914
plus one for me
olsib 914
Morrie
I am interested in a D-Jet unit, and possibly a BT unit for my 912.
mmichalik
QUOTE(914_teener @ Oct 18 2017, 11:53 AM) *

QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 18 2017, 11:05 AM) *

Any model of just the D-jet version you posted?



Good question....I.ll ask.


That is a good question, if he is willing to do one for a carb'ed motor, I would jump in too
BeatNavy
Sorry to be thick, but I just want to be clear: the one that's D-Jet compatible is NOT Bluetooth programmable, correct? You can select from a number of pre-programmed advance curves (looks like 10 of the 16 apply to 914), but it doesn't work with Bluetooth. I guess the Bluetooth-programmable one is for non D-Jet (I assume because of the trigger points).

Someone please correct me if I've got this wrong. I'm interested, but want to make sure I understand.

Thanks for putting this together, Rob.
914_teener
Rob,

My understanding of the Bluetooth app is that you can see the data on your laptop and or mobile device.

The D-jet version of thier distributor edit: There is only one choice: Switched. The blue tooth version is not available for Djet.

On their D-jet version there are aprox 20 preprogramed curves. The bluetooth capability allows you to observe the advance curve in relationship to other engine metrics. There is a You Tube of his posted. I am not sure if this is extra....again...I.ll ask.

I have a call into him just now.

I.ll update the first page tonight with the interested members and models...depending on his answers... after the Dodgers win the NLCS.


Rob
123ignitionusa
Hello Guys
I talked to Rob and starting Monday October 23rd, and for three weeks you can use the coupon code
914world
It will expire November 10 and be good for 10% off retail on any product I offer. When the amount of orders reaches 10 then the discount becomes 15% off retail. When that happens the additional 5% will be refunded to the cc of the first ten orders.
Orders will be filled 7-10 after the close of the 3 week period.

Hope this helps
Ed
123ignitionusa
914 models are available in the following
Switched with no vacuum
http://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-...ncludes-spacer/
Switched with vacuum
http://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-...ncludes-spacer/
Switched with D-Jet
http://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-...ncludes-spacer/
D-Jet is only available in the switched pre programmed model with the designation ie at the end.
TUNE+ is Bluetooth using an Apple or Android phone or device
http://123ignitionusa.com/bluetooth-tune-4...rated-w-spacer/
TUNE is USB connected using a pc
http://123ignitionusa.com/tune-usb-4-cylin...rated-w-spacer/

They are not interchangeable. You must choose Switched, Tune+ Bluetooth or Tune Usb.

Hope this helps
Ed

QUOTE(914_teener @ Oct 18 2017, 05:42 PM) *

Rob,

My understanding of the Bluetooth app is that you can see the data on your laptop and or mobile device.

The D-jet version of thier distributor can be set either maually or via a blue tooth device.

On their D-jet version there are aprox 20 preprogramed curves. The bluetooth capability allows you to observe the advance curve in relationship to other engine metrics. There is a You Tube of his posted. I am not sure if this is extra....again...I.ll ask.

I have a call into him just now.

I.ll update the first page tonight with the interested members and models...depending on his answers... after the Dodgers win the NLCS.


Rob
StratPlayer
I've been running my123 in my DJet setup for over a year now, One hellva dizzy. I love it I'm sure that the ones that purchase this dizzy won't be disappointed. Love the fact that I no longer have trigger points. Car runs great.
TJB/914
I am in for one on my D-Jet F.I. engine.
Tom
jim_hoyland
Do they make one compatible with L-Jet FI ?
SKL1
I'd be interested in the one appropriate for a carbed (and with Webcam) engine. Not sure which one that is other than one not for the FI...


Also, curious if they are a larger diameter like the Mallory- I had to modify the sheetmetal on my '71 to get it to fit.
914_teener
Obviously I.ve asked Ed to speak for this as i am only interested in the D-jet model.

All models that he offers are applicable to the group buy according to Ed and as long as he has a head count by Monday we are good to go. and any questions can be addressed to Ed.

I.ll keep the thread bumped if neccesarry for the next three weeks.
Mueller
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Oct 18 2017, 07:08 PM) *

Do they make one compatible with L-Jet FI ?



Jim, I might be wrong, however I believe I am correct with the following:


Any of these 914 type distributors would work, however no reason to pay the extra money for the D-Jet specific version for your application.

5 different versions, priced lowest to highest:

1st. Very basic, no vacuum advance or retard (16 curves, based on factory curves and cannot be modified)(dip or rotary switch inside or on the side of distributor?)

2nd. Basic with vacuum advance (16 curves, based on factory curves and cannot be modified)(dip or rotary switch inside or on the side of distributor?)

3rd. Same as 2nd version except can trigger D-Jet injectors (thru the ECU)

4th. With vacuum and fully programmable curve for 2 curves, the second curve is "activated" by a toggle switch, curve #1 is 0vdc, curve #2 activated by supplying 12vdc to yellow wire. (I believe you can flip the switch on the fly, no mention of not being able to do that in the manual) With computer hooked up you can "tune" and play with settings and create the 2 curves.

5th. Full tilt boogie version... vac, fully programmable and Turbo or Supercharger friendly with boost retard. If I am correct, not able to change entire curve settings while motor is running, you can tune and create a curve, but not able to go from curve 1 to curve 2 while driving. Without loading the app, I would think you could create many curves to play with. Just remember that if you use the PIN feature to disable the ignition you are screwed if you loose or break your phone (you could borrow and load the app on another phone if you know your PIN I would hope)

If I am wrong , please let me know so I can edit or delete.


Porschef
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Oct 18 2017, 10:08 PM) *

Do they make one compatible with L-Jet FI ?




I'm guessing option 2 Jim???

Running Ljet also.


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JoeD
I'm running the 123Ignition on my Raby 2270 with dual carbs and have been for a year or so. I do not have the bluetooth version.

I think mine was the first build Jake did with the 123, and I know he was really happy with how he was able to fine tune it on the dyno. I've put a couple thousand miles on the car and it has been phenomenal. So far it's been bullet-proof.

I'm about to buy another one for my 240Z build. biggrin.gif
nditiz1
QUOTE(SKL1 @ Oct 18 2017, 06:47 PM) *

I'd be interested in the one appropriate for a carbed (and with Webcam) engine. Not sure which one that is other than one not for the FI...


Also, curious if they are a larger diameter like the Mallory- I had to modify the sheetmetal on my '71 to get it to fit.

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Also interested
jim_hoyland
QUOTE(Porschef @ Oct 19 2017, 04:35 AM) *

QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Oct 18 2017, 10:08 PM) *

Do they make one compatible with L-Jet FI ?




I'm guessing option 2 Jim???

Running Ljet also.


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? or #1 if no vac advance ?
McMark
Mueller is right in his descriptions. I added a similar list, with links to the first post. I think I also clarified the ordering process. To reiterate, order your distributor now with the code '914world' and those orders will be queued/held and will all ship together sometime in Mid-November.

I STRONGLY recommend the bluetooth unit (#4 in the first post) for ALL ENGINES, except D-Jet. It costs a little more, but if you can afford it, make the jump and get bluetooth.
D-Jet users only have one choice.

Another note about the bluetooth distributor, once the curve is set into the unit, you never need to connect to the device again. The unit will run autonomously for normal driving. The phone/bluetooth connection is only used when you need the change the tune. For most people this will be set it once, then forget about it and it's just a 'normal' distributor.
nditiz1
914world code doesn't work confused24.gif

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Philip W.
I have been thinking about this for some time and waiting , looks like the time is now, 15% discount will be nice!

I am in for a D-jet version !

+1 for me.

Phil
Philip W.
QUOTE(123ignitionusa @ Oct 18 2017, 08:33 PM) *

Hello Guys
I talked to Rob and starting Monday October 23rd, and for three weeks you can use the coupon code
914world
It will expire November 10 and be good for 10% off retail on any product I offer. When the amount of orders reaches 10 then the discount becomes 15% off retail. When that happens the additional 5% will be refunded to the cc of the first ten orders.
Orders will be filled 7-10 after the close of the 3 week period.

Hope this helps
Ed
QUOTE(nditiz1 @ Oct 19 2017, 09:31 AM) *

914world code doesn't work confused24.gif

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he said starts Monday the 23rd I believe....
Vacca Rabite
I bought one of these for my BMW2002 when the 2002 forum did a group buy last year. I've yet to run into someone on the 2002 forums that regrets putting one of these in.

Seriously folks. Get one. If I was not running McMarks EFI on my 914, I'd be buying one of these for my 914 too.

IMO, you want the bluetooth tune-able version. Its not much more money, and gives you the advantages of a tune-able spark curve.

Zach
nditiz1
QUOTE



he said starts Monday the 23rd I believe....


Thanks Phil - I missed that post rolleyes.gif
914_teener
QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 19 2017, 06:15 AM) *

Mueller is right in his descriptions. I added a similar list, with links to the first post. I think I also clarified the ordering process. To reiterate, order your distributor now with the code '914world' and those orders will be queued/held and will all ship together sometime in Mid-November.

I STRONGLY recommend the bluetooth unit (#4 in the first post) for ALL ENGINES, except D-Jet. It costs a little more, but if you can afford it, make the jump and get bluetooth.
D-Jet users only have one choice.

Another note about the bluetooth distributor, once the curve is set into the unit, you never need to connect to the device again. The unit will run autonomously for normal driving. The phone/bluetooth connection is only used when you need the change the tune. For most people this will be set it once, then forget about it and it's just a 'normal' distributor.



Thanks Mark and Mike.


The code won.t work until Sunday. He wanted to make sure there was interest in the first five which there looks like there is.

I.m running bone stoxk D-jet so I know my choice.
mgphoto
FYI page 1 Specifications

Temperature : -30 to 95 degrees Celsius

I haven't confirmed if this is ambiant temp or operating.
I bought it 3 weeks and I'm having issues with heat.
I started a thread but haven't updated it.
We have had hot weather 95 and up .
With temps in the 70's she runs great but above 85 she starts pinging on hard acceleration.
Been a Dr. Jeckell Mr. Hyde experience, latest test 100 octane fuel.
Vacca Rabite
QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 10:15 AM) *

FYI page 1 Specifications

Temperature : -30 to 95 degrees Celsius

I haven't confirmed if this is ambiant temp or operating.
I bought it 3 weeks and I'm having issues with heat.
I started a thread but haven't updated it.
We have had hot weather 95 and up .
With temps in the 70's she runs great but above 85 she starts pinging on hard acceleration.
Been a Dr. Jeckell Mr. Hyde experience, latest test 100 octane fuel.


I remember your thread.
Did you ever call them and ask them about it? These dizzys are running in engines all over the place, in climates just like yours (and warmer) without issue. Yours may have an issue (defective out of the box - it does happen), or it needs to be re-tuned. You should not need 100 octane fuel and should not be pinging under what would be considered normal operating conditions.

My experience with the 123 people (and others in the BMW community) is that the customer support is pretty darned good.

IMO, they could not sell these things if the upper range of operation was only 95 degrees. On a moderate day, its often over 110 under the hood of a normal car.

Zach
Edward Blume
Would the GB include the /6 distributor? Anybody use one for a 2.4 / 2.7 / 3.0?
Philip W.
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Oct 19 2017, 10:33 AM) *

QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 10:15 AM) *

FYI page 1 Specifications

Temperature : -30 to 95 degrees Celsius

I haven't confirmed if this is ambiant temp or operating.
I bought it 3 weeks and I'm having issues with heat.
I started a thread but haven't updated it.
We have had hot weather 95 and up .
With temps in the 70's she runs great but above 85 she starts pinging on hard acceleration.
Been a Dr. Jeckell Mr. Hyde experience, latest test 100 octane fuel.


I remember your thread.
Did you ever call them and ask them about it? These dizzys are running in engines all over the place, in climates just like yours (and warmer) without issue. Yours may have an issue (defective out of the box - it does happen), or it needs to be re-tuned. You should not need 100 octane fuel and should not be pinging under what would be considered normal operating conditions.

My experience with the 123 people (and others in the BMW community) is that the customer support is pretty darned good.

IMO, they could not sell these things if the upper range of operation was only 95 degrees. On a moderate day, its often over 110 under the hood of a normal car.

Zach


I hope Zach is right because around here in the summer its going to be on average in the middle to upper 90's - of course I don't drive the car much on those days , unless I get the A/C thing figured out bynext year.

Keep us posted on your experience with this mgphoto please!

914_teener
95 C is 202 F

Hunh....well it will be in the 90's this weekend. Update your thread.

mgphoto
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Oct 19 2017, 07:33 AM) *

QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 10:15 AM) *

FYI page 1 Specifications

Temperature : -30 to 95 degrees Celsius

I haven't confirmed if this is ambiant temp or operating.
I bought it 3 weeks and I'm having issues with heat.
I started a thread but haven't updated it.
We have had hot weather 95 and up .
With temps in the 70's she runs great but above 85 she starts pinging on hard acceleration.
Been a Dr. Jeckell Mr. Hyde experience, latest test 100 octane fuel.


I remember your thread.
Did you ever call them and ask them about it? These dizzys are running in engines all over the place, in climates just like yours (and warmer) without issue. Yours may have an issue (defective out of the box - it does happen), or it needs to be re-tuned. You should not need 100 octane fuel and should not be pinging under what would be considered normal operating conditions.

My experience with the 123 people (and others in the BMW community) is that the customer support is pretty darned good.

IMO, they could not sell these things if the upper range of operation was only 95 degrees. On a moderate day, its often over 110 under the hood of a normal car.

Zach



I know huh.
mgphoto
I'm not at the debug with the manufacture yet, I'm trying to rule out all my mistakes first.
I'm just saying 95*C?

European website states 100*
914_teener
QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 07:56 AM) *

I'm not at the debug with the manufacture yet, I'm trying to rule out all my mistakes first.
I'm just saying 95*C?

European website states 100*



Well finish your thread .....you can list what you think your mistakes are and maybe we can learn something.

Vacca Rabite
QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 10:56 AM) *

I'm not at the debug with the manufacture yet, I'm trying to rule out all my mistakes first.
I'm just saying 95*C?

European website states 100*


100*C is 212*F (I think. Shoot now I'm doubting my metric. I think 100*C is the point where water boils....)

I checked, I'm good. So if your unit is rated to 100*C ambient, that equates to 212*F ambient. I don't care where you live, if the ambient temps can boil water, you have concerns larger then driving around. ;-)

You should be well within spec. I'd still call 123 and talk to someone, or start the email conversation. As the guy who puts off doing these things (just ask McMark), I can tell you it gets easier when you just suck it up and admit when you need a bit of help. I'm STILL learning that lesson. slap.gif I've wasted about 3 years on my build due to being stubborn.

Zach
914_teener
I agree with Zach....my coffee is kicking in.

mgphoto
Sorry that project and gam-gam have to wait, I'm in the middle of a paint cycle.


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Jett
I’m in for. DJet version.
914_teener
Okay cool.

Ed asked me to get a head count. I.ll update the first page. I.m in for sure so we only need 4 more for the 10% and then 5 more in three weeks for then extra 5%.

I personally am not comcerned about temperature issues.

What this means is that my new dizzy is about 4 weeks out with shipping and my plan is to install it in my 1.7 and keep the stock onenas a spare. Once the 2.0 is done I.ll swap back.

I.ll update the first page when I get home from work.
pvollma
QUOTE(914_teener @ Oct 19 2017, 12:22 AM) *

Obviously I.ve asked Ed to speak for this as i am only interested in the D-jet model.

All models that he offers are applicable to the group buy according to Ed and as long as he has a head count by Monday we are good to go. and any questions can be addressed to Ed.

I.ll keep the thread bumped if neccesarry for the next three weeks.

I'm in for 1 D-Jet model.
Jeff Bowlsby
So for the D-Jet model, am I to understand that:

"Hardcoded advance curves with no vacuum, no bluetooth, with output for D-Jet This is the unit to choose for stock D-Jet users."

This means no more need for the NLA vacuum can and the advance/retard ports it would connect to on the throttle body can be capped off? This is also a replacement solution for the trigger points.

Si? Please confirm.

What mechanism exactly replaces the trigger points and is it electronic or mechanical (can it wear out)? Can these dizzys be repaired/rebuilt/serviced either DIY or by sending back the the mfr?

If so, this sounds like a great solution for the HTF/NLA trigger points and vacuum cans.

There would be no reason now to replace D-jet injection because of HTF /non-existent parts. All wear parts are available MPS, trigger points, injectors, harnesses, sensors.
Mueller
Looking at the manual, D-Jet specific distributor can be ordered with a vacuum option, add V before the IE in the part number. No idea if needed or wanted for a D-Jet vehicle.
Jeff Bowlsby
I thought if it had 'hardcoded advance curves" a vacuum can for advance/retard would be redundant and unnecessary. My stock '74 2.0L does not have a vacuum advance, only retard, but the 73 2.0L has an advance.

Does this 123 dizzy for stock D-jet provide the advance/retard functions to replace the vacuum can?
jd74914
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Oct 19 2017, 03:01 PM) *

I thought if it had 'hardcoded advance curves" a vacuum can for advance/retard would be redundant and unnecessary. My stock '74 2.0L does not have a vacuum advance, only retard, but the 73 2.0L has an advance.

Does this 123 dizzy for stock D-jet provide the advance/retard functions to replace the vacuum can?

This is just an assumption, but I doubt it has mechanical vacuum advance/retard. I would think there would be an integral MAP sensor which then allowed use of a 3D timing table with engine speed and manifold pressure axes vs. a 2D with only engine speed.
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