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thelogo
Narrow or stock body fenders Car , 4 bolt real fuchs or 2liter wheels

Has 195/60r 15 on it now
Netto touring front (still tread enough but are like 8 years old )
Continental touring rear ( tread is pretty low also old but in good shape)


I beginning to realize a tire failure on these cars could be especially dangerous



Cause lets face it a 914 gets driven harder then
A toyota



I dont want to roll the fender lips and the clearance with current tire size is already tight


Budget pretty wide open since i want something reliable or high quality ?

mepstein
See whats available in 195x65x15 or 205x60x15 unless you like the size you have. Both should fit a stock car with 2.0 Fuchs. Between whats available and some online reviews, you should be able to narrow it down pretty quickly.
johnhora
www.tirerack.com is a good place to start some research

quite a few flavors in the sizes mentioned above
ThreeV8s
I bought Firestone Firehawk AS tires last week that still need to get mounted, but there is feedback about them and others in the thread below. They are one of a small group of "high performance all season" tires in 195/65 R15 and the tire rack reviews are pretty good. There are a few other similar tires on the tire rack in this size.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...6241&st=40#
thelogo
QUOTE(johnhora @ Oct 31 2017, 01:29 PM) *

www.tirerack.com is a good place to start some research

quite a few flavors in the sizes mentioned above




I thought about ordering from here
But wasn't sure 100% about size
And i never bought tires online before

I think they had some pirells for like 200 a tire
I was thinking about it screwy.gif
mepstein
QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 04:40 PM) *

QUOTE(johnhora @ Oct 31 2017, 01:29 PM) *

www.tirerack.com is a good place to start some research

quite a few flavors in the sizes mentioned above




I thought about ordering from here
But wasn't sure 100% about size
And i never bought tires online before

I think they had some pirells for like 200 a tire
I was thinking about it screwy.gif

We have a tire rack warehouse close by so we can pick up. They give shops a 15-20% discount so almost all our tires come from the rack.
GeorgeRud
Tire Rack is a great source and can have the tires drop shipped to your local tire store. They also have(had?) a list of recommended installers.

I’m running 195/65-15 on my car and have been quite happy with that size and looks.
thelogo
This place is right down the road from me



Coker tires


Anybody know them

https://www.cokertire.com/
JOEPROPER
Conti Pro Contacts on mine. P195/65R15. They work fine, look right on my car and they're not expensive.
My 914
I have always had good luck with Tire Rack going back many years. Reviews on their site are accurate and even if you don't use them, they're a good place to check prices.
thelogo
These are cool

https://simpletire.com/dunlop-p195-65r15-dp...DSABEgKvGfD_BwE

Look like moto tires ?
Larmo63
205/60s look a little like donuts on a 4 lug Fuchs wheel. My 6 x 15 five lug wheels hold the tire width better.

195s might be the call?

I'm running Yokohamas.
mgphoto
QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 01:49 PM) *

This place is right down the road from me



Coker tires


Anybody know them

https://www.cokertire.com/


They are know for period correct tires using modern technology.
The XWX's are a period correct tire for the 914 but priced at $390 a tire!

maybe for a cw?
mgphoto
QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 02:09 PM) *


Dunlop SP Sport 600
P195/65R-15
That looks like a pretty spiffy tire, if you get a set let us know how you like them!
I'm gonna need new rubber in 15k or so.
GregAmy
I agonized over sizes for a couple months. Did the research*, used all the tire calcs, so forth. Decided to go with Firehawk AS 195/60-15 as a compromise between the theoretically optimal size and some performance.

I've driven around several hundred miles recently, comparing indicated speedo to a GPS app for actual speed. With these tires the difference is less than 5%. For example, at a GPS-indicated speed of 72, I'm apparently actually doing 69 mph. Close enough for gov't work.

I'm using a recently-installed, known-good 120mph speedo I got from Garrold. Your miles-per-hour may vary... lol.

*From various source, our original 15" size was "165R15"? What, did we carry them on a pin mounted to a rack just behind the front fender, with a couple of "tire irons" held on with buckled-leather straps...?

Closest is apparently 195/65-15.
arne
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Oct 31 2017, 02:13 PM) *

205/60s look a little like donuts on a 4 lug Fuchs wheel. My 6 x 15 five lug wheels hold the tire width better.

195s might be the call?

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While 205 width tires are rated as ok on 5.5” wheels, they look too pinched on a wheel that narrow to me. I did like how the 195/65-15 fit both the car and the wheels.
Coondog

Just go to America’s Tire, look at all there choices, fit a couple sizes and make your decision.

Easy as 1-2-3
DM_2000
QUOTE(GregAmy @ Oct 31 2017, 05:44 PM) *


*From various source, our original 15" size was "165R15"?


From what I recall, these are ever so slightly taller than a 165-85-15

QUOTE(GregAmy @ Oct 31 2017, 05:44 PM) *

What, did we carry them on a pin mounted to a rack just behind the front fender, with a couple of "tire irons" held on with buckled-leather straps...?



What, no side view mirror strapped to the top of the spare tire?
mmichalik
I decided to run Pirelli P4 195-65-15's on mine. Like one of the posters above, I figured it would be a good cross between performance and ride.

On tire rack, they are only $98.00 a piece as well.
thelogo
QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 31 2017, 02:22 PM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 02:09 PM) *


Dunlop SP Sport 600
P195/65R-15
That looks like a pretty spiffy tire, if you get a set let us know how you like them!
I'm gonna need new rubber in 15k or so.





Spiffy is right


Best non all season tires i see so far

The rest seem all pretty much same

thelogo
This look cool and expensive

My luck they would rub , 205/50 15


http://m.nittotire.com/competition-tires/n...ad-course-tire/
ThreeV8s
QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 31 2017, 05:22 PM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 02:09 PM) *


Dunlop SP Sport 600
P195/65R-15
That looks like a pretty spiffy tire, if you get a set let us know how you like them!
I'm gonna need new rubber in 15k or so.

Not sure about the legitimacy of that listing, as those tires only come in one size (245/40 R18) and they are $345/tire per the Dunlop website.

http://www.dunloptires.com/en-US/tires/sp-sport-600-tires
914_7T3
The majority of my tire purchases are from Tire Rack. Shipping is from NV to CA so there is no applicable sales tax, but the cost of shipping makes it a wash. They can drop ship to ASAP Tire that is a mobile installer that comes right to you in a van with full mounting and balancing capabilities. Super Convenient.

Tire Rack also includes full road hazard warranty with all purchases which is another value added. They also advised against the Dunlops and Yokohamas as being an older design and not offering better performance for the increased cost.

For whatever reason the set of General Altimax RT 43s on my 914 were less money at America's Tire at $64.00 per, but a real pain in the ass to go hang out there while their installers move at a snails pace.

Tire size is 195 65 15s and the Altimax RT 43s are quite good for the price, keeping in mind that noise level and wet performance are irrelevant as the car is only driven on nice days with the roof off.




arne
QUOTE(ThreeV8s @ Oct 31 2017, 06:19 PM) *

QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 31 2017, 05:22 PM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 02:09 PM) *


Dunlop SP Sport 600
P195/65R-15
That looks like a pretty spiffy tire, if you get a set let us know how you like them!
I'm gonna need new rubber in 15k or so.

Not sure about the legitimacy of that listing, as those tires only come in one size (245/40 R18) and they are $345/tire per the Dunlop website.

http://www.dunloptires.com/en-US/tires/sp-sport-600-tires

Well, the Simpletire page shows 3 sizes, including the big 18”. Wouldn’t surprise me if Dunlop’s webpage doesn’t get updated regularly.

And MSRP for tires is one of the biggest jokes out there. Street prices of most tires are a small fraction of the official MSRP.

Actually, if it really is available, I like it. Nice to see a modern summer tire in this size.
infraredcalvin
problem with online order is that you still have to get them mounted and balanced. I’ve found that if I find a tire on tire rack, go to a shop and ask for their best price, their out the door price (tax, mount balance, warranty) is usually close (sometimes less) than tire racks price for tires and shipping.

I just went to Tucker Tire out here in OC (after hearing so many recos), Out the door they were over 100 less that TR price before shipping. I think I’m a customer for life now...
ThreeV8s
QUOTE(arne @ Oct 31 2017, 10:42 PM) *

QUOTE(ThreeV8s @ Oct 31 2017, 06:19 PM) *

QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 31 2017, 05:22 PM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 02:09 PM) *


Dunlop SP Sport 600
P195/65R-15
That looks like a pretty spiffy tire, if you get a set let us know how you like them!
I'm gonna need new rubber in 15k or so.

Not sure about the legitimacy of that listing, as those tires only come in one size (245/40 R18) and they are $345/tire per the Dunlop website.

http://www.dunloptires.com/en-US/tires/sp-sport-600-tires

Well, the Simpletire page shows 3 sizes, including the big 18”. Wouldn’t surprise me if Dunlop’s webpage doesn’t get updated regularly.

And MSRP for tires is one of the biggest jokes out there. Street prices of most tires are a small fraction of the official MSRP.

Actually, if it really is available, I like it. Nice to see a modern summer tire in this size.

I called simpletire out of curiosity since my new tires haven't been mounted yet. They called the warehouse to verify that they have 46 tires, some with date codes back to 2016. I couldn't find these tires anywhere else in the US or much information about them. Could be an interesting choice being that they are summer tires, but hard to say. Dunlop makes some great tires and some that are not. Probably a risk worth taking at that price.
thelogo
Just seem to me like everyone here has settled
For all seasons tires


I just think if any car could benefit from summer or
Performance tires

Its a 914


As im finding out its a bit of a challenge finding
Tires this small in anything but all season

Or touring



thelogo
Shout out to the cheap sob
arne
QUOTE(thelogo @ Nov 1 2017, 01:49 PM) *

Just seem to me like everyone here has settled
For all seasons tires

For year-round driving here in Western Oregon, yes, I do use all seasons, even on my 911. I drive too much in the cold and wet to not do so.

If I lived in SoCal, I’d be looking for summer tires, for sure. Which is why those Dunlops seem worth a look.
thelogo
Yeh i wouldn't think a 911 in w.Oregon winter
Would do to well with summer tires

But in l.a i think i could get away with it

Although ive never had a car with summer tires maybe these

https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?gcli...0171102050058:s
scott_in_nh
QUOTE(ThreeV8s @ Nov 1 2017, 11:12 AM) *

QUOTE(arne @ Oct 31 2017, 10:42 PM) *

QUOTE(ThreeV8s @ Oct 31 2017, 06:19 PM) *

QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 31 2017, 05:22 PM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 02:09 PM) *


Dunlop SP Sport 600
P195/65R-15
That looks like a pretty spiffy tire, if you get a set let us know how you like them!
I'm gonna need new rubber in 15k or so.



Not sure about the legitimacy of that listing, as those tires only come in one size (245/40 R18) and they are $345/tire per the Dunlop website.

http://www.dunloptires.com/en-US/tires/sp-sport-600-tires

Well, the Simpletire page shows 3 sizes, including the big 18”. Wouldn’t surprise me if Dunlop’s webpage doesn’t get updated regularly.

And MSRP for tires is one of the biggest jokes out there. Street prices of most tires are a small fraction of the official MSRP.

Actually, if it really is available, I like it. Nice to see a modern summer tire in this size.

I called simpletire out of curiosity since my new tires haven't been mounted yet. They called the warehouse to verify that they have 46 tires, some with date codes back to 2016. I couldn't find these tires anywhere else in the US or much information about them. Could be an interesting choice being that they are summer tires, but hard to say. Dunlop makes some great tires and some that are not. Probably a risk worth taking at that price.


I don't normally dig up old threads, but has anyone actually purchased these tires?

I will need tires in the spring and am determined to stay on 195/65R15's but want a summer tire if they exist.

I have found a couple of other unicorns (sticky tires offered in 195/65 that are not on the manufacturers site) and contacted the manufacturers, but have not heard back yet.

I don't really trust a distributor to say they have them only to find out what they have is not what is pictured and then have to go through the disappointment and return shipping hassle.

Thanks,

Scott
dr914@autoatlanta.com
195/65x15 for handling and overall performance, 165x15 for original ride, and smoothness (wider tires feel the bumps more)

Do not put 205/60x15 on the stock 5.5 because they bulge off the rims too much and cause the Jello effect when entering and exiting curves. (even with a high speed tire with strong sidewalls)


quote name='thelogo' date='Oct 31 2017, 12:51 PM' post='2543934']
Narrow or stock body fenders Car , 4 bolt real fuchs or 2liter wheels

Has 195/60r 15 on it now
Netto touring front (still tread enough but are like 8 years old )
Continental touring rear ( tread is pretty low also old but in good shape)


I beginning to realize a tire failure on these cars could be especially dangerous



Cause lets face it a 914 gets driven harder then
A toyota



I dont want to roll the fender lips and the clearance with current tire size is already tight


Budget pretty wide open since i want something reliable or high quality ?
[/quote]
thelogo
I ended up with cooper cs4 s

195,65,15
JamesM
Im thinking of giving these a shot when my bumblebee goes back together.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?ti...C&tab=Specs


Modern summer compound in a vintage mold and proper size. Also 195s are to wide for stock 914 wheels. Having a tread width wider than your wheel width negatively impacts handling. Stick with in the 155-185 range depending on what wheel you are running.


euro911
I typically ran 195/65-15 on 5.5" wheels on the 'BB' (2.1L). Really liked the Kumho tires .... they have a nice grip, wear well and they're not real expensive.

I'm gonna try out Pirelli P6 185/65-15 on the '71 as it's only a 1.9L - maybe a little more nimble ride than 195s.

Racer
The only real "performance" tires are 205/50-15s. The rest are all "all season" compromise tires that, while said, are still 1000% better than 165 radials or period correct bias ply tires, but nothing to write home about if performance is the goal.

My -6 has 14" rims... and the only street performance tire is the Falken Azenis 615 blah blah in a 195/60-14.

Choices are limited for a 50 year old car. The only reason 205/50-15s are still available is the Miata.
scott_in_nh
QUOTE(Racer @ Dec 4 2018, 07:50 AM) *

The only real "performance" tires are 205/50-15s. The rest are all "all season" compromise tires that, while said, are still 1000% better than 165 radials or period correct bias ply tires, but nothing to write home about if performance is the goal.

My -6 has 14" rims... and the only street performance tire is the Falken Azenis 615 blah blah in a 195/60-14.

Choices are limited for a 50 year old car. The only reason 205/50-15s are still available is the Miata.


This is why I brought this thread back to life Dave.

I like the way the car looks with 15" rims and 195/65's are close to the original diameter, which is great for gearing, the speedo, and the proper amount of sidewall on and old car (IMO). I will also agree with George that 205's are too wide for stock rims and 205/50's have an almost 2" smaller diameter than 195/65's.

I want a tires with an aggressive looking summer tread, and more grip than all-season tires have.

I do a few AX days every year, but do not want to buy/bring/change a second set of rims with low profile HP tires. Yes I can and have on all-season tires, but don't see anything wrong with wanting more grip.

While I will agree there are no DOT R-Spec tires in 195/65 I have found what I am calling "unicorn" 195/65 summer tires.

The Dunlop 600 tires posted last year is one example - there are others!

So I was wondering/hoping someone actually purchased a 195/65 summer tire that they can report on....
rhodyguy
The RT43s are also available in 185/65r15 at reasonable prices. Good fitment on 5.5" wheels with providing what should be adequate fender clearance.
bandjoey
Continental PureContact™
Good buy at Discount Tire. As a daily driver and one long event a year, it's a great tire. 70k life, 60 day free trial, and 3 years roadside for flats. H 130mph rated
195-65-r15

thelogo
QUOTE(bandjoey @ Dec 4 2018, 02:48 PM) *

Continental PureContact™
Good buy at Discount Tire. As a daily driver and one long event a year, it's a great tire. 70k life, 60 day free trial, and 3 years roadside for flats. H 130mph rated
195-65-r15















WTF.gif


How much is the only detail you didn't mention? $
74 sunflower 914
There are some decent performance-oriented tires in the 205/55/15 size at tirerack. I believe that is the OEM size front tire for the Elise.
GeorgeRud
Of all places, I checked Walmart’s site and they have tons of tires in 195/65-15. A friend just put the Cooper tires on his 911 and is quite happy with them.
euro911
QUOTE(thelogo @ Dec 4 2018, 03:24 PM) *
QUOTE(bandjoey) *
Continental PureContact™
Good buy at Discount Tire. As a daily driver and one long event a year, it's a great tire. 70k life, 60 day free trial, and 3 years roadside for flats. H 130mph rated
195-65-r15

WTF.gif


How much is the only detail you didn't mention? $
Google is your friend ... https://www.americastire.com/buy-tires/cont...contact/p/14001
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scott_in_nh
So after taking a deeper dive and reaching out to some of the manufacturers via social media here is what I have found.

It seems all of the summer tires in a 195/65-15 are out of production, certainly all of the ones below are.

I did not reach out to Dunlop, but the aggressive looking SP SPORT 600 shown here:
https://simpletire.com/dunlop-p195-65r15-dp...DSABEgKvGfD_BwE

Looks like and all-season tread when I search for actual images in the wild:
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MjQ5WDQwMA==/z/W...8/$_20.JPG

Next up is the Toyo Proxes 1. Other than confirming it is discontinued, and offering me tires I already explained I didn’t want and why, they pretty much bailed on me.
Amazon has a few of them left:
https://www.amazon.com/Toyo-Proxes-Performa...e/dp/B076Y63NF2

I could not find actual pictures of this size in the wild, but suspect it looks like the Toyo Proxes C1S:
https://static.baza.farpost.ru/v/1487426191481_bulletin

The most helpful so far has been Accelera tires. They have confirmed that this tire has been out of production for 5 years.
https://americaswheel.com/195-65-15-acceler...mber=1200000046

I have asked them to confirm the UTQG. And a search for it in the wild confirms the aggressive tread pattern.
http://warriorbali.com/wp-content/uploads/...651-300x169.jpg

Can’t get hurt at this price either so I may give it a go.

Finally we have the Goodyear Excellence:
https://www.amazon.com/Goodyear-Excellence-...e/dp/B00F6I3QXE
https://www.samsclub.com/sams/goodyear-exce.../prod2390184.ip

Doesn’t do it for me and they are very expensive.

JFG
i have avon zt5's on mine. stick to the road like shit to a blanket. windy / twisty country & mountain lanes recently was an epic drive. mix of damp & dry surfaces didn't make a difference.

my golf (rabbit?) has them on too and that gets a thrashing sometimes, again lots of confidence in them.
Jamie
I have been running Michelin Pilot Exalto 205x65x15" on my original steel 5.5" rims for several years. They have been outstanding in all season "spirited" driving conditions, and are a very close diameter match to original 165x15" but do rub a bit inside the well when turned to full lock. Came from Tire Rack as my usual source but don"t recall price.
Wyvern
QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 31 2017, 02:22 PM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ Oct 31 2017, 02:09 PM) *


Dunlop SP Sport 600
P195/65R-15
That looks like a pretty spiffy tire, if you get a set let us know how you like them!
I'm gonna need new rubber in 15k or so.


These do look interesting ... Only the 18" have a UTQG 3 . It is 200 .
If the 15s had the same rating I would be very interested
RolinkHaus
Anyone have an opinion on these? Looking to fit 195/50/15's.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?ti...romCompare1=yes

Attached pic are tires I am selling. Bridgestone Potenza's 205/60/15
scott_in_nh
QUOTE(RolinkHaus @ Dec 6 2018, 04:07 PM) *

Anyone have an opinion on these? Looking to fit 195/50/15's.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?ti...romCompare1=yes

Attached pic are tires I am selling. Bridgestone Potenza's 205/60/15

195/50 diameter is too small, looks bad, makes 1st gear useless, and adds a lot of revs at speed
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