Price check on original 1970 914-6 GT

This 914-6 has been a race car most of its life. Originally owned by a former P.C.A. president who set it up for autocross. The 914-6 was raced sparinglly and spent all of its life indoors, hence there is no rust. It has 9"and 11" IMSA GT fender flairs and is now set up for vintage racing. Vin number starts 9140430...

Specs;

9" and 11" rims, Wilwood front brakes, 911SC rear brakes, stainless steel brake lines, 22mm front sway bar, Bilstein RSR front struts, rear Koni shocks, Recaro race seat, 5-speed transmission with good gears for racing

Needs;
Engine; the car comes without an engine, but we can build one for your race needs.
Seat Belts are out of date. Tires will need to be replaced.

Car Road Raced at;
Daytona, Sebring, Road Atlanta, Roebling Road, Homestead, PBI, VIR, CMP, Miami Grand Prix.
Thanks for your input.
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does it have a 914-6 serial number?

No engine. 13k.

Yes it does.

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Way more than $13,000.

Bob B

$40-50K

Was the car professionally raced?
Who where the drivers?
It has value as a 914/6

This race car is a factory 6. Vin.# starts 9140430...
It has no professional race history. Can be raced with SCCA, PCA, HSR,SVRA, POC, VDCA and many vintage race groups.

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Excellent candidate to convert to 904 kit car.

Now that is funny.

Fuck, I can't sell the house in Huntington Beach yet...
I have 2 dream cars.
A replica 718 RSK-8 and a 914-8. Until just recently I didn't know that someone was building a case for that out of two 911 case's.
A short stroke 8 cylinder 3.2. Man I'm getting wood, I need to call my lawyer.

I would say that since it is a real six, but has no power plant what so ever and has sdissimilar body work in fiberglass as opposed to a 914-6 GT clone, that it would be most valuable to a guy wanting to vintage race it, NOT convert back, nor use occasionally. Hence the value is lower than it would be if a 6 gt clone without a power plant. My valuation is 30K

Unfortunately, race cars without "provenance" are rarely worth as much as their street versions, mostly because it appeals to a small, cheap audience (racers).

If it had some kind of "provenance" then it would actually be worth more, because now it appeals to rich collectors.

Add (subtract) in no drivetrain, and now you're appealing to a small cheap audience that has to spend more money to be able to race it.

A small "plus" because it's a real -6. That may appeal to someone looking for a streetable project.

Just the way it tends to be.

I can't offer a hard number for you, but your best audience is likely the PCA racing crowd. Or try Bring-A-Trailer.


And...boom.

WETMWB.

I wish you would change the thread title.

its not likely an original GT

might be an original -6, but the title reads as if you think it were an original factory GT

gt replica is most likely the correct phrase

certainly NOT an original GT!!!!!! If so would be in its present state at least 150 K

I agree you should change the title since it is not a factory GT car.

Should be listed as a factory 914-6 race car complete less enging and transmission.

Throw it on BAT and let the peanut gallery pick it appart and see what it will bring. I am thinking high 20's at best...GLWS

If it had real RSR Fuchs it would help..IMHO

That seems much more realistic.

It's not an original GT as stated in the title, it's an original /6 that was built into a functional race car, but unfortunately didn't get any of the desirable actual original GT components.

So a potential buyer either is going to just continue racing it or has to spent a heap of money turning it into a period correct GT clone or spent even more money to turn it back into a stock /6.

I agree with George.

The most expensive roller? ?

Around

i know a 914 with solid bones is
Hard to come by .



Some one should buy it and put a big /4 in it

So the rear decal can read 914/6 /4

I know this is meant as humor but the car has no four mounts if it’s a six so...

I have seen that car, and well it is a racer, and the pictures make it look really good. It ran HSR or SVRA events timing is becoming a blur as to which sanctioning body it was. This was back in the early 90s so lots of stuff gone and forgotten from then.

I don't remember being impressed with what I saw, but then Brumos was also dragging both 59s Its around the time as they just finished the restoration of the original, and still had the clone onsite also. To age it even more Bob was still living and was passing out cans of Haywood Cola.

Isnt that John Forbes jacking it up...black forest racing should know all about it.. race cars are race cars ,,could be nice could be just legal...way more pics needed

It probably isn't a factory GT but without the VIN we don't know.
As others have mentioned it does not appear to have GT parts.
I say $20K-$25K without drivetrain.

Ok Gunther lets get you straitened out here. Between the silliness, knit picking and people that don’t read threads completely let me get you to your answer.

914-6s that have low miles and are original are going for $100,000.00 plus. Those that have had their floor pans replaced, rust repairs or other non original parts are selling around $80,000.00 and less. Since your 6 has a good chassis without any other mods other than the flairs and oil cooler cutout,( unlike a tube frame car ) lets do the math and start with the $80k.

Subtract $20k for a 2 liter 6 engine ( the ones we used throw away when they wore out, for a more powerful 911 engine back in the day). Subtract $10k to return to stock fenders and paint. Fenders and body parts are cheap and most of the cost is in labor and paint. Subtract $5k for new interior and any other small insularly parts. The suspension is a wash. You can sell the RSR struts, brakes, and wheels for a stock suspension and wheels.

$80k – $20k – $10 -$5k = $45k.

These numbers are an approximation, but this should get you in the ball park. GLWTS

LOL! sort of what I did without the detailed explanation. Great minds...

I wrote it because most people need a detailed explanation on this site.

10k for body work and paint? Not real world numbers. The numbers posted are for an owner with a well provisioned shop/facility and that has a vast skill set. An enthusiast learning the ropes? Double or triple the $ and years and years. Look at the 100k+, after tax dollars, all in cash projects that grace the pages here for years.

My first reaction was "ain't no effin way an old worn-out race car with no provenance is going to go for $80k, no matter how impressive the restoration" but I've seen stupider things happen in this market.

But I'd suggest your starting point for a fully-restored /6 race car with no provenance is likely 1/2 to 2/3 that. But again, "stupider things"...

For the purposes of insurance, I value my '74 2L-4 race car at half the value of my '74 2L-4 street car.

this was a steal... @ 40k

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=334968

Unfortunately, I have to agree with this since I fall in the "enthusiast learning the ropes" category, and have personal hard-lesson experience. It's not hard to drop $10k for a top level interior guy and $30K for minimal body work and top-tier paint work. Not bragging and not confessing. Just the facts. I tell people: I don't do it because it makes sense. I do it because the results make me smile.

- MR

Is John Forbes the current owner ??
http://blackforestracing.com/pictures/inde...Wide-Body-914-6

If he is the owner, he will know what it’s worth. John knows 914’s.

This whole thread is fishy....
scam like...
if John is the owner, who is the person starting this thread?

sarcasm I hope.
there are many many people on this list that intimately know the details and answers already.

@brant

"Gunther" has a Back Forest Racing email address and "Mr.914-6GT" who signed up just to post here in this thread also just happens to be using the same IP address as "Gunther" so my best guess is that both are posting from the Back Forest Racing office.

ok... less fishy...
still a weird thread?

strange strategy

can't hide on the net.

Well, I already knew something was not right when you add original 914-6 GT and rust free in the same sentence Good project roller, but I don’t do business with folks trying to make a quick buck.

I feel like they are not honest people misleading others by using these websites to carry their objective. Just my opinion, but I know I am not the only one who feels that way.



- Your buddy Big Ed

Holly crap I can't believe it, My SOB cousin efed me over. I just got a call from a friend who asked me what was going on with my post on 914 world. Apparently someone (my cousin I found out) got on my computer last night and opened up an account and wrote what he thought would help sell the 914. Yea thanks for nothing cous. I am so mad right now I could strangle him. In just one night he has made me lose all credibility, that has taken me so long to build up. I can't believe he did this. I need to apologize to the 914 community. I am so very sorry. Now my cousin needs to apologize too. Better yet he needs to be removed from this site. I am so angry right now I need to cool off. I'll sign back in later tonight and fill you in on the details later. Again I can't tell you how sorry I am about this. I hope you understand and can forgive me.
Gunther

Do you work for John Forbes? Is it your car or Johns?

Indeed.

Umm... Which post, because the original FS post came from this account, and not a different "opened up account". Are you saying cous used YOUR account? Not trying to dog pile. Just understand.

- MR

@mountainroads

"Gunther" = Original poster, member since June 2009

"Mr.914-6GT" = "cousin", member since yesterday

Ah. Gracias and thanks for clarification. Maybe I'm missing something, because I thought "Mr.914-6GT" made some legitimate points. Unsolicited perhaps, but I didn't think totally off-base or poisoning the well as it were, unless disputing the "original 1970 914-6 GT" claim, which is questionable. That said, unsolicited meddling is definitely uncalled for.

- MR

- MR

Damn, I just spit out my Coffee!

Hi everyone John Forbes here. I am the owner of the black 914-6. I asked my friend Gunther to help me find out the value of the race car. I am so swamped at work and I need to get 4 engines built in the next 4 weeks and I have no time to sit on the phone all day answering questions. The 914 market has been going crazy lately and sometimes its hard to keep up with the current market since it is in such constant change. This is a real nice race car. It has some rare parts, like a factory 10 grand tach and a factory 200 mph speedo.

Gunther is a real good guy and a good friend. Please don't condemn him for the stupidity of his cousins actions even though his cousin meant well. Gunther isn't one to get angry easily but when he found out what his cousin did, he was livid. Gunther doesn't work for me on a daily basis, but he has done some great work for me. He is an awesome machinist and fabricator and is a great race car builder. If you ever get the chance to see his personal race car its real nice with a lot great details. So again please don't condemn him for the stupidity of his cousins actions.

We know that pricing this car is difficult and subjective and we appreciate everyone's input. We can build an engine for the buyer of this car if they're willing to wait for a couple of months.

Sorry for any confusion there may have been. If you do have any questions please direct them to Gunther. I am in contact with him on a daily basis and he should be able to get back to you in reasonable time.

Thank you for your understanding.

"...most of the cost is in labor and paint". Commonly referred to as a 'paint job' in some circles.