Another electrical question: How many amps?, New headlight switch, don't want a fire or melt down |
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Another electrical question: How many amps?, New headlight switch, don't want a fire or melt down |
Krieger |
Aug 26 2012, 08:39 PM
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As some of you know my car has different "headlights" I no longer have the pop up style. The lights are in the turn buckets. I bought a 15 amp toggle switch instead of the stock unit. This is what I would like to run on my new switch, but I do not know how many amps these items will take: front and rear running lights, license plate lights, dash lights and the stock relay to trigger the fog lights (this is how I chose to power my new "headlights". I was using the original hot wire that was on the oem headlight switch. It comes directly from the ignition switch to the headlight switch. Maybe I should put a 15 amp fuse in line on that hot wire? Other minor issue is the toggle switch has two posts and I have 5 wires to put on one end...
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GeorgeRud |
Aug 26 2012, 08:54 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Don't run the lights through the toggle switch alone. Use the switch to energize a simple relay and you'll be in good shape.
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Krieger |
Aug 26 2012, 09:12 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,759 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Why not use a toggle switch?
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Mike Bellis |
Aug 26 2012, 10:04 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,346 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
Why not use a toggle switch? Toggle switch will arc internally, just like a set of points and eventually stop working. Use a relay with the toggle switch. You should never exceed 85% of the switch rating. Additionally, most switches are made in China now and not really rated for the stated amount. Ohms Law: E=IxR P=IxE E=Voltage I=Amperage R=Resistance P=Wattage |
Krieger |
Aug 26 2012, 11:03 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,759 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the added nudge Mike. I think I will use a relay. So do I add up the wattage of all the goodies and divide by 12 and that gives the Amps? Still not sure how to get some of them watt values. Oh hell, I have a Bosch relay that says 20/30 Amps. Think thats good enough? I'll even put a 20 amp fuse before it.
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GeorgeRud |
Aug 27 2012, 06:38 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
The relay should work fine.
FYI, these square relays and associated wiring are available at Parts Express at very reasonable prices if anyone is adding circuits to their car. |
Krieger |
Aug 27 2012, 08:04 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,759 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Thanks George.
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Dave_Darling |
Aug 27 2012, 09:12 AM
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Krieger |
Aug 27 2012, 09:18 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,759 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
What value do I assign to the lead that goes to the fog light relay?
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Tom |
Aug 27 2012, 01:47 PM
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Use an ohmmeter and measure the coil resistance of the relay. Divide that number into your running voltage. I=V/R That will give you the rated ( approximate) current in amps. Probably something like 150-250 mili-amps.
Tom Edit: a good safety tip when working on old car electrical systems, when you hook the battery back up, leave the bolt loose in case something is shorted. A better way is take a reading of the resistance of the positive batt cable to ground before doing the work, then again after your mods are complete. If there has been a significant change, especially lower resistance to ground,recheck your work. |
Krieger |
Aug 27 2012, 09:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,759 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Well, there might be an easier way. I wired it up with just an inline fuse. I guessed at 15 amps. I turned it all on and.....nothing but light. I left it on for maybe 5 minutes. No blown fuse. So I think its less than 15 amps. Should I try a 12 or a 10?
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Mike Bellis |
Aug 27 2012, 10:04 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,346 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
The size of your fuse is determined by the wire size. Not the load. If you have too much load, you shed some to another circuit. Too large a fuse on too small a wire = the wire becoming the fuse.
Here is some good reading for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/WireCapacityChart.htm |
Krieger |
Aug 27 2012, 11:02 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,759 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Thanks Mike. I did keep feeling the wires every couple of minutes to see if they were getting hot and they never did. I should have said that before. The wire for the fuse is 12 gauge and the assembly is rated for 30 amp. I will check out the reading later.
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